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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. Sep 4, 2007 #361 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    I presume you mean me. My head is not in the sand, but I was formerly n the CATV industry, and I still retain close ties to individuals in the industry, including a number of General Managers and some senior officers of a number of CATV corporations. No one in that industry could possibkly care less what you as a consumer watches or when, as long as you pay for the programming. Now no doubt you are going to scream about the fact they want every user to pay as much as posssible for the services, whether they make use of them or not. To that I can only respond, "Of course they do!!". There isn't a single profit based businesss on earth who does not want to charge the maximum the market will bear for their goods and services while simultaneously reducing the overhead costs of producing those services. It's not a hidden agenda. It's the entire point of all business.

    'Been there, done that. There is a huge difference between figuring out what was done and being able to correctly ascribe the motivations for doing it, assuming it was motivated in the first place. That said, as I already mentioned, there are a lot of overlapping interests. Time Warner Cable, for example was until recently owned by Time Warner, Inc. Guess what else they own? Warner Brothers.

    No, thanks. As a fully qualified Telecommunications Engineer with 30 years experience in the industry - 8 years of it in the CATV sector - I really don't need to do any more reading of material from non-authoritative sources. I have plenty of authoritative sources. I might suggest you stop reading such sources, however, because they don't seem to be educating you.
     
  2. Sep 4, 2007 #362 of 2401
    sfhub

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    Sorry I mistook DVHS for CapDVHS on PCs. Nothing you wrote, I just read it wrong.

    If you have examples of 5c protected content that won't record on DTCP-certified equipment, then you have cause to complain. Could you provide references?
     
  3. Sep 5, 2007 #363 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    I really don't want to be offensive, but you just keep piling one completely incorrect statement on top of another. Every one of those devices can be purchased by anyone who wants to purchase one. Scientific Atlanta is not selling them direct to consumers, but it isn't illegal to get one. Motorola is going to be selling the 3416 and I think the 3200. In any case, all you asked was to point to a CC 1.0 device which support SDV. I did.

    I'm no fan of the CATV companies, but this actually does bring up something which isn't quite fair for the CATV companies. What happens if a box is lost or stolen? The CATV company has two choices, it can implement a policy of just eating the cost, or it can charge the customer for losing the box. The thing is, if the customer is charged for the box, then by law he owns it. If the box happens to turn up, the customer is by no means required to return it, but if the CATV company finds it, they are required to either return the box or the money to the user. The Police regularly find numbers of stolen boxes and turn them over to the CATV company, and it costs the CATV company a good bit of change to track down the owners.

    The other option is to not charge the customer for lost or stolen boxes, but in that case there is nothing to prevent a good number of users from "losing" one cable box after another. It also winds up with large percentages of disconnecting customers not bothering to return the box.

    Saying soomething over and over does not make it true. I can drive over to my local Electonics store and have them order one of these items if Iso choose.

    I know your point. It's wrong.

    No one said it's difficult, just wrong. Being easy doesn't make it right.

    1. I despise many of the practices of the Cable Companies, including both my local ones. The fact they are guilty of many excesses and failings in no way proves they are guilty of this.

    2. Their being guilty of the failing of which you charge them does not mean their stock is going to fail, so your point eludes me. Clearly this is meant to be some sort of slur agianst my mental faculties, but it fails dismally in that respect, as well.

    3. The statement does nothing to support your position.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2007 #364 of 2401
    gschoen

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    I can't believe any of us non-authoritative, uneducation doofs even post here! Until we have 8 years in the CATV sector, at least. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  5. Sep 7, 2007 #365 of 2401
    classicsat

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    They can not, or will not be authorised, in most cases though.

    While technically not against the law to privately purchase such hardware , it is well within the right of providers to deny authorisation of such 3rd party procured fixed security boxes.

    The box providers have generally not sold their non CC boxes on the open market, but just to providers, who may have the option of selling their boxes, but in the USA have chosen not to.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2007 #366 of 2401
    ah30k

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    While its true that the old embedded security versions would never get authorized the new the host/CableCARD versions should be able to be authorized.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2007 #367 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    actually I could be wrong but I believe the proprietary boxes ARE NOT Cablelabs verified so the cable company can say 'no verification- no connection'- looks like Moto only has something called HDT-300 verified- which appears to be an ATSC/Cablecard HD STB that was to be in retail in 2004 but looks like maybe it was just vaporware? And I see nothing from SA/Cisco on the list.

    http://www.cablelabs.com/udcp/downloads/OC_PNP.pdf


    Maybe one can get an unverified device hooked up by chance someplaces but I wouldn't assume any particular head end would allow it.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2007 #368 of 2401
    vstone

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    I seem to remember reading about an off the shelf cable STB with OTA tuners from SA, but its been awhile. They've probably watched Tivo struggle with the cable companies, or perhaps they just announced it as a bargaining chip.
     
  9. Sep 25, 2007 #369 of 2401
    NSPhillips

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    Cox Fairfax added NFL Network HD today. It's showing as "channel not available" on my Series 3. I called tech support (at about 10:30 pm) and played dumb. The guy said the best he could do was schedule a technician to find my missing channel. He had no idea about SDV. He also said they weren't allowed to send reset signals to cable cards because it might "melt your TV."
     
  10. Sep 26, 2007 #370 of 2401
    DCIFRTHS

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    Was that a joke :confused:
     
  11. Sep 26, 2007 #371 of 2401
    NSPhillips

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    He appeared to believe that sending signals to cable cards can cause them to overheat or possible screw up the firmware in your TV. I'm guessing that the guy on duty at 10:30 on a Tuesday is told to not try anything extreme.
     
  12. Sep 27, 2007 #372 of 2401
    pmiranda

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    You can add 1653 - TBSHD
    I do think it's a bit unfair to say 2 to 78 are SDV without a note that they're the digital simulcast of analog channels that you still receive, you just don't get the digital versions (same resolution, just a little more noise).
     
  13. Oct 3, 2007 #373 of 2401
    morac

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    I had a tech out today because the signals on a frequency are low. While he was here I asked about SDV and he said it's coming to South Jersey in 4Q of this year.

    I'm guessing the SDV dongle won't be ready by that time. He did say that only low traffic channels will be put on SDV, but he also said existing channels could be moved to SDV.

    On the plus side he mentioned a lot more HD channels are coming.
     
  14. Oct 4, 2007 #374 of 2401
    DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    Most, if not all of the foreign language channels are switched on the Westchester Cablevision system. I believe that sports packages are switched too.

    As long as the mainstream channels remain non-switched, I will remain a Cablevision customer - even when Verizon is done with the FiOS installation in my building.
     
  15. Oct 4, 2007 #375 of 2401
    pmiranda

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    Expect those new HD channels to be SDV. Every new HD channel we've gotten in Austin is SDV. I'm guessing it makes sense since there are still not many folks with HDTVs, so it's relatively rare for anyone to be watching those channels.
     
  16. Oct 4, 2007 #376 of 2401
    bdraw

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    ah30k

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    Dude, you missed the point again. The 1:1 ratio is optimal for unicast not SDV.

     
  18. Oct 4, 2007 #378 of 2401
    bdraw

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    How is unicast not SDV?

    I know in computer networking that broadcast is the opposite of unicast. I see broadcast as the conventional delivery method and unicast as SDV.
     
  19. Oct 4, 2007 #379 of 2401
    morac

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    He mentions some would be and some wouldn't be. They just added TBS-HD yesterday and it's not SDV. Unfortunately it's not in the guide data yet so while I can tune it I can't schedule recordings on it.
     
  20. Oct 4, 2007 #380 of 2401
    ah30k

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    SDV is community sharing of a subset of a broadcast channels. The 100 channels (example number only) that are currently being broadcast in the SDV system are broadcast to all users in the node. The same commercials on Monday Night Football are shown on all TVs in the node.

    Think of SDV as a subset broadcast.

    Unicast (which the article refers to as the next generation of technology) is a unique channel distributed just for you (hence the 0.99:1 requirement - slight discount for off televisions). In this case, you can customize commercials for each user in the network.
     

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