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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. vstone

    vstone New Member

    May 11, 2002
    I vote for a middle ground, where all of the expensive channels (NFL, ESPN, etc. are ala carte. This would still allow them to provide a breadth of programming without killing off minor channels.
  2. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    I definitely like that idea. Require any channel charging more than a certain amount per subscriber to be a separable fee (both in terms of the contract between content owner and distribution service, and between distribution service and the end-customer), while still allowing the deal to offer a lower price for those channels (again, at both levels) if included in a package.
  3. moyekj

    moyekj Active Member

    Jan 23, 2006
  4. dig_duggler

    dig_duggler losing enthusiasm

    Sep 18, 2002
    Here's a direct link for the relevant article.

    Finally there is some sort of roadmap being paved...
  5. skylab

    skylab New Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    Lets hope it works. Until then I will be filing a complaint with the FCC as it is a violation of Section 629 of the Communications act of 1996 for TWC to require us to use a leased set top box to receive non-interactive programming (including HD stations on sdv).
  6. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.
  7. bdraw

    bdraw New Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    I was very satisfied with my cable companies reaction to my FCC complaint.
  8. moyekj

    moyekj Active Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    If you are still updating 1st page of this thread a couple more additions:
    Also TWC Hawaii:

    Looks like things are certainly heating up with SDV this year - we need that USB dongle solution already!
  9. snowbunny

    snowbunny New Member

    Jun 10, 2007
    Tonight my mother couldn't tune 225 (Discovery Health) on the S3, but I could on my S2. I checked, and she was right; there was another channel, TXCN, that was also missing.

    My mother (who's visiting) was haranguing me over how a TiVo box could be the difference between watching on one TV vs the other. :( "Can't they fix it?" she said.

    I was hoping that tuning to 225 on the S2 would bring the signal to the house and that the S3 could then pick it up in the same way that PPV works, but apparently it doesn't work that way.

    I'm very tired of this problem.
  10. cdp1276

    cdp1276 New Member

    Mar 24, 2003
    bdraw if you can add ESPN2 HD to your Rochester, NY list on the first page. Now my question is, I've been told by others in my area that have the 8300 HD TW box that they can see in the SARA software that SDV isn't deployed here. So all these channels that TW isn't allowing me to get on my S3 are being selectively blocked to CableCard's.

    Doesn't these seem like a violation? I've done the FCC form already but any other suggested routes of escalation?
  11. bdraw

    bdraw New Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    It would be a violation to selectively block any channel from CableCARD customers. I'd bet your friend are mis-interpreting what they see in the SARA software.

    What channel is ESPN2 HD?
  12. cdp1276

    cdp1276 New Member

    Mar 24, 2003
    No, he didn't misread it and someone else in our area talked to the head engineer at our location and he says SDV hasn't been deployed here and wont until later this year or early 2008. The Sara software clearly shows no SDV server connection.

    So given that, what do people suggest I do?

    ESPN2HD - 1053
  13. jmaditto

    jmaditto New Member

    Jul 29, 2007
    Its pretty easy to tell from the diagnostics screens what is SDV and what isn't. Just have to go one page from the default and there it is.
  14. ddubois

    ddubois New Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    I'm in Hawaii (Oahu) with my Series3, and I'm spitting mad. I don't get it?! Aren't cable companies required by FCC/law to support cablecard devices or something? Who do I complain to? Am I supposed to fill out FCC Form 475? Because it looks like the wrong form, dealing with telephone stuff, not cable stuff.

    Channels we're apparently losing:

    46 C-SPAN3
    47 C-SPAN-2
    102 Jewelry Channel
    117 CNBC World
    118 Bloomberg TV
    120 Pentagon Channel
    121 The Weather Channel
    130 KAOM
    132 AZN TV
    134 Imaginasian
    212 The Outdoor Channel
    241 Fuel
    242 NBA TV
    243 The Tennis Channel
    244 Fox College Sports - Atlantic
    245 Fox College Sports - Central
    246 Fox College Sports - Pacific
    247 College Sports TV
    349 Ocean Network
    410 Inspirational TV
    587 Country Music TV
    589 VH1 Classic
    597 BET On Jazz
    599 Fuse
    608 Ovation
    689 Galavision
    690 Fox Sports World Espanol
    691 CNN Espanol
    690 Fox Spors World Espanol
    691 CNN Espanol
    692 Discovery en Espanol
    693 ESPN Deportes
    699 Chinese Channel
    1216 HD Gold/HD Versus
    1226 HD FSN
    1347 HD National Geographic
    1355 HD Net
    1603 HD Net Movies
    1561 iNDemand HD
    1222 ESPN HD
    1224 ESPN2 HD
    1605 HD Universal

    That's the entire "HD Entertainment Pak" lineup. I didn't spend $2500 on a widescreen TV, and $800 on a Series3, so I could have no HD content whatsoever.
  15. pashasurf7873

    pashasurf7873 New Member

    Sep 22, 2006
    I'm so PO'd also. this is crazy! I really hope someone will figure out a solution. Has TIVO even acknowledged this issue publically yet?
  16. HiKent

    HiKent New Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    I complained to the FCC earlier this month about SDV in Hawaii. I got a letter back saying they don't handle cable matters anymore, talk to the local regulator.
  17. skylab

    skylab New Member

    Jul 25, 2007
    People are also filing complaints in proceeding 97-80 (cablecard issues -- the CEA has proposed a ban on temporary ban on SDV). To view other comments and complaints go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi and put 97-80 in the box for proceeding.

    To file a comment in 97-80 put 97-80 in the proceeding box, fill in the required fields, and you can type in a brief comment at the bottom. Here is the site: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

    The more people that fight on this the better. We need to ask for an outright ban on SDV.

    We need to get the word out!
  18. txagfan

    txagfan New Member

    Jul 30, 2007
    Are you kidding me with your temporary ban stuff? Cablecard customers from cable make up about .001% of their customers. The rest of their customers want more channels, more HD, just like you. SDV makes this possible. SDV also makes it possible to compete with D* and their new offerings. So, do you make your .001% angry by implementing SDV or make the rest happy by giving them more channels. I know some will flame me for the 1996 telecom act and all but really all I want is more HD and less crying from people that didn't do their research before they bought a Tivo. I can't wait for the new dongle or whatever, but I'm not holding my breath for to come out any time soon.
  19. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    And in my experience, your perspective ("want more channels" rather than CableCard) is more typical. I have a TiVo S3 using CableCards. I'll be disappointed if my cable system deploys SDV and the TiVo cannot handle it, however I won't deny my personal accountability having made the decision to purchase the TiVo. No one is entitled to expect that their TiVo will work beyond the parameters that the box is built for. If a solution comes about, great, but otherwise, people should accept their own responsibility rather than cravenly looking for scapegoats for their disappointment.

    I wrote this in another thread (about TiVo service pricing) yesterday, but it applies just as well, here, today: Folks should always make decisions based on what they have explicit assurances of (whether written or otherwise). If you make your decisions based on anything else -- i.e., assumptions based on your own perceptions or the best guesses of others -- then YOU are personally accountable if those assumptions turn out not to be correct.
  20. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005
    If that's what it takes to get the Cable Companies to get in line and follow the law, then that's what it takes.

    The cable companies have had 10 YEARS to come up with something that would work. If they hadn't been dragging their feet like my 4 year old when he doesn't want to go to bed, this wouldn't be a problem.

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