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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. Aug 14, 2007 #201 of 2401
    jrm01

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    Actually I think the buzz about ala carte pricing is coming more from Congress and their committees, rather than from the FCC.
     
  2. Aug 14, 2007 #202 of 2401
    bicker

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    Well, I think you will hear specific FCC commissioners (like the chairman) blathering on about it, but the commission itself, obviously not.
     
  3. Aug 15, 2007 #203 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    A lot of consumers think it would be a good idea, as well. When I was in the business, I heard a lot of complaints from customers about having to pay for channels they didn't watch, and I sympathize. For some customers it might indeed be cheaper. For most I suspect not, but one never knows.
     
  4. Aug 15, 2007 #204 of 2401
    bicker

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    That really points out the no-win situation that a la carte is, especially if it is to be driven by consumers wanting it. They'll go from complaining about "having to pay for channels they don't watch" :rolleyes: to complaining about how all the channels now cost $3-$4 each.
     
  5. Aug 16, 2007 #205 of 2401
    MichaelK

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    exactly-

    everyone seems to assume that because the package divided by channels is like 50 cents a channel or something now that if you went a la carte it woudl be the same. As you point out the reality is the "the channels they do watch" will now cost 3 or 4 or maybe even 8-10 (espn or disney perhaps) and the crap channels will cost a nickel.

    Another possibility is the "a la carte" that sirius and xm have said they would do if they are allowed to merge. I forget the details but in the end there's very little to be saved- you buy the base package of 50 channels for a bit of savings but the "premium" content can't be included and would be much more to get so in the end it would just be cheaper to get the whole giant package as today- since a good percentage of their subs, join up for that "premium" content there would be little to no savings for most.



    all that said- I'm not sure how SDV really matters for A la carte? Once you are all digital couldn't you just do a la carte anyway even if it's using old fashioned broadcastng techniques?
     
  6. Aug 17, 2007 #206 of 2401
    miller890

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    TWC in Albany, NY has started using SDV. Here is the list so far that no longer can be tuned in by the Series-3 with CC's.

    746 Showtime West
    747 Showtime 2 West
    748 Showtime 3 West
    749 Showtime Extreme West
    750 Showtime Beyond West
    754 Showtime Next West
    755 Showtime Family Zone West
    756 Showtime Women West

    TimeWarner Cable Channel Lineup for NY
     
  7. Aug 17, 2007 #207 of 2401
    jmaditto

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    How are you guys finding out what is on SDV? I have a SA8300HD box from TWC and can access the service menu...is there a way to tell in there?
     
  8. Aug 17, 2007 #208 of 2401
    cableguy763

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    If you know what freq's they are using, you can find out that way.
     
  9. Aug 17, 2007 #209 of 2401
    miller890

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    I found out the other night on TWC when using a S2+cable_box when I changed to Showtime West, there was a popup from the cable_box saying something like "please wait accessing channel SDV". Then I went to to the S3 with the CC's and went to the same channel and it was black with a tivo message saying "cant tune to channel, no signal".
     
  10. Aug 17, 2007 #210 of 2401
    jmaditto

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    I have the freq avail to me in the service menu but I don't know which freq corresponds to SDV.
     
  11. Aug 17, 2007 #211 of 2401
    cableguy763

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    The cable co will use a set of frequencies that are SDV. Just an example is say freq's from 561mhz-601mhz are being used for SDV. If Showtime West is switched, it can tune to any one of those freqs to get the stream. If it is 561 in your node, across town it could be on 585. If you run across a cable service tech in your area, he could probably tell you those freqs. Or, if you know which channels are switched you can pull up the diags on your box and tune to each of those channels and note the freqs they are using.
     
  12. Aug 17, 2007 #212 of 2401
    jmaditto

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    Ok - I think I got it figured out. I went to the diagnostics menu on my SA 8300HD and then hit the page down button on my remote and on page two at the top was a title SDV Info. For SDV channels it displayed a freq number but for non SDV channels it showed 0000. Pretty simple if my assumptions are correct. The bad news is I have SDV in Columbia, SC so no TiVoHD for me right now. Can't stand the TWC DVR interface but I can't give up HD channels. Oh well, I'm sure it won't be too long before TiVo provides a box that can get SDV. :(
     
  13. Aug 19, 2007 #213 of 2401
    timstack8969

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    Does anyone know if Comcast plans on using "SDV" in N/E Philly anytime soon??? I'm thinking about buying the new "TivoHD" this week but will it still work when comcast starts using "SDV".
     
  14. Aug 19, 2007 #214 of 2401
    jmaditto

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    The short answer is No, TiVo will not tune SDV channels at this time.
     
  15. Aug 20, 2007 #215 of 2401
    dig_duggler

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    Recent engadget and ars technica reports are making me so damn nervous. I knew it was coming but I don't want to let go of my shiny shiny tivo box.
     
  16. Aug 20, 2007 #216 of 2401
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    sfhub

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    My point was the information you provided and I highlighted wasn't current information as they did eventually do the IPO of Time Warner Cable. I didn't even realize at the time you were talking about an incident from a while back as I thought you were trying to make a point about current conditions.
     
  18. Aug 23, 2007 #218 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    Well, it shouldn't be that high, but your point is valid, nonetheless. Assuming the CATV companies are not gouging the customer (I think they are in some cases, but we'll assume not for the moment), they're going to have to come up with the same amount of revenue some how, so on average the customer is going to have to wind up paying the same. Some customers, however, do only want three or four channels. I myself for the most part only want PBS and HD movie channels. I can do without the networks, sports channels, etc.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2007 #219 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    I suppose some do, but most don't. A lot of customers only want a specific handful of channels. Current CATV pricing policies, however, can wind up costing a customer $100 just to get a single channel of interest. It's rare, but it can happen. Many customers, only want Spanish channels, for example, or don't want any Spanish channels, as a counter-example. I personally don't want any sports channels at all, yet two of the tiers I am required to purchase to get the programming I want are heavily laden with sports channels, as yet another example. Nonetheless, the CATV company has to make its money somehow, so prices almost certainly will go up per channel. On yet the other hand, the CATV company pays the content providers per customer, and I can guarantee you they are not going to report any customers whose a la carte lineups do not include the vendor in question, so there can be some significant savings for the CATV company whihc could hypotheticaly be passed on to the consumer. Whether they will or not is another matter.

    What you consider "crap" and what someone else considers "crap" may be two very different things.

    Yes, but if the CATV company is going to convert to digital from analog, they may as well go with SDV, since the costs are not much greater. More importantly, an "ordinary" digital stream is broadcast to every consumer in the network, and eats up bandwidth whether anyone is paying for it or even watching it, or not. With SDV, they can offer a channel only 20 people in the entire viewing area will purchase. The 20 people represent additional revenue, and since its is SDV, they don't significantly increase the CATV company's overhead. In short, it doesn't eat up an entire channel. The decreased cost of operations for a slightly watched channels make a la carte much more profitable with SDV than without.
     
  20. Aug 23, 2007 #220 of 2401
    CharlesH

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    Since SDV works at a node granularity, I would think that it would be a real winner where there are neighborhoods where most of the residents speak a particular foreign language, and many of them would like to have programming in their language. In other neighborhoods where that language is not spoken, few if any people would want those channels.
     

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