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SDV FAQ

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bdraw, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. Aug 13, 2007 #181 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    They don't. The local CATV company has fewer than 500 customers per node. If by some miracle every customer had their TVs on and every TV had a different show playing, then they would be in trouble. However, even with VOD and Video Re-Do, it's going to be rare for there to be more than 200 different video streams to be requested. By making certain the number of customers does not greatly exceed the total bandwidth they could possibly select, the CATV company can avoid such issues except in very rare cases. I doubt many people will complain if it happens once a year, or so. The odds of it happening to the SAME customer again and again is extremely low.
     
  2. Aug 13, 2007 #182 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    Because consumers love things like Video On Demand and Video Redo. SDV allows the consumer to pick from essentially thousands of program streams. Remember, the program stream for Desperate Housewives starting at 20:00 is different from the very same show starting at 20:10.
     
  3. Aug 13, 2007 #183 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    Folks, chill out a little. There are a number of ways the TiVo can be made to work with 2.0 CableCards and SDV. Which way will be for the near future to tell:

    1. It already works. It's possible the Series III already has the capability. I haven't seen anyone with any authority try to answer this question. Certainly one of the reasons for the delay of the introduction of the Series III was the delay in implementing CC 2.0. While I suspect TiVo simply couldn't wait any longer and just deployed the Series III without upstream capabilities, I would not be overly surprised to learn the CATV module in the Series III is 2-way.

    2. Swap out the CATV RF receiver module for a transciever. If any of you have looked inside your Series III boxes (I am NOT recommending you do this - it voids the warranty), you will have noticed the RF receivers are monolithic units separate from the TiVo motherboard. As long as the board traces will support the proper communications to the transceiver, swapping out the CATV receiver for a transceiver is simple and inexpensive. While I imagine TiVo may not have implemented a 2 way transceiver, I find it unlikely they would not have implemented a means to interface to a transceiver - assuming the interface is at all different. It well may not be.

    3. Replace the motherboard. This is also simple and not terribly more expensive than replacing the receiver. The cost to TiVo would be fairly small, especially since they can recycle most of the components.

    4. Implement 2-way communications via the Ethernet connection. This may require some fancy-schmancy firewall agreements between TiVo and the CATV companies, but it's doable. Making the TiVo into a VPN endpoint for the CATV company is not technically difficult.

    5. A hang-on accessory. There are several ways this could be accomplished internally, and the easiest might involve moving the CableCards out of the TiVo and into the dongle, but it would not be difficult. It would interface with the TiVo both via RF and Ethernet. If TiVo doesn't do it, there are plenty of 3rd party manufacturers out there who would be interested in taking this on.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2007 #184 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    Technically, I suppose, yes. You won't be able to get Pay Per View, but then you can't get PPV now. You won't be able to get VOD, but then you can't get VOD now. There may be some channels you would like to receive that you cannot yet receive. How many, I don't know. I don't live in Austin.

    It's unknown, but I doubt they have not. I find it unlikely TiVo has no strategic plans for implementing SDV capability. The hardware may already be capable, or not. The software to handle SDV is not complex.

    You might have to send your Series III in for an upgrade, or they may sell an outboard solution. Or they may just implement software to activate the Tx section of the transceiver, if they went with a 2-way hardware solution from te get-go.
     
  5. Aug 13, 2007 #185 of 2401
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    What are you suggesting that they should have done?

    I think you should go back and read this thread; there is a lot of important information that you perhaps haven't read over or didn't adequately understand.
     
  6. Aug 13, 2007 #186 of 2401
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    The FCC is not requiring CATV operators to provide a la carte programming.
     
  7. Aug 13, 2007 #187 of 2401
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    When did the FCC start requiring a-la-carte? This was the last I heard:
    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6434492.html

    What's this? http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=TWC
     
  8. Aug 13, 2007 #188 of 2401
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    Just look at the first post. It lists the SDV channels in Austin, which appear to be the most extensive we have seen of any provider.
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=357703&page=1&pp=30
     
  9. Aug 13, 2007 #189 of 2401
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    Yes I read it and understand it. I also understand that as more HD channels come online more channels will go SDV.

    As to what they "should" have done? They should have made sure they could add the ability to the series 3 or waited to release it until they knew.

    When I bought my Series three, I knowing accepted that I would not get PPV or VOD. No big loss, I have never used it anyway. (Well may $12.00 or so in PPV). But as of right now, 3 channels that I or my wife watch are SDV.

    I have tried three other recorders other than Tivo, and most performed better at some function than Tivo. But I keep Tivo for the remote and the Menus. So I wont go to another system, simple because I like Tivo.

    Now what "should" they do, just let me know if they are working on it. Thats all just communicate with me.
     
  10. Aug 13, 2007 #190 of 2401
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    1) no one know that they DONT have the ability to add 2-way communication to EITHER the S3 or the Tivo HD. It could be as simple as enabling it on hardware already in the boxes or more complex by adding a dongle of some sort
    2) wait to release until they knew what the end game was would mean no S3 and no Tivo HD even today. The current party line from cable is that to do 2-way you need OCAP and that essentially means no tivo UI- likely there's a compromise to be had (that Rodgers and cable have spoken about to congres and the FCC) that means there is a something they can do.


    The CEO told congress they are working on a compromise with cable and they hope cable will do the right thing. What more can they say really? I guess they can be more specific and say "we have a solution that we proposed to cable and cable is mulling it over" but getting into a pissing match with cable at this juncture doesn't really help tivo much since tivo is essentially powerless and the FCC doesn't seem to be in the mood to force cable to do the right thing.

    I dont really think Tivo has ANY good options except to hope cable does the right thing...
     
  11. Aug 13, 2007 #191 of 2401
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    On my local (Pittsburgh) Comcast AVS forum I received this reply from a person who supposedly has "inside sources at Comcast":

    Oh were it only true.
     
  12. Aug 13, 2007 #192 of 2401
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    Obviously not, as you would have understood the impossible nature of what you were asking.

    Tivo has communicated many times that they are working on a solution, you're just not listening.

    I'm glad that the S3 was released as is a year ago (almost). I've had 11 months of trouble free, HD bliss. :D
     
  13. Aug 13, 2007 #193 of 2401
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    You seem to have some anger issues. You make want to check with your health care provide to see if they can recommend the proper counseling. It would really help and who knows, you might have more people enjoy being around you.
     
  14. Aug 13, 2007 #194 of 2401
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    Wow, 3 posts here and you're already an expert on my mental health!

    Try keeping the posts a little more on topic, we generally prefer on topic, less personally attacking posts around here. Maybe if you paid a little closer attention to the content of the posts around here and a little bit less on my posting style, you would understand wouldn't ask questions that have obvious answers.
     
  15. Aug 14, 2007 #195 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    They are not requiring it YET. They are making lots of noises to the effect, and while it could just be saber rattling, the FCC can be very capricious.
     
  16. Aug 14, 2007 #196 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    I worded that badly. I should perhaps have said "encouraging", or "threatening". The point is, it's looming on the horizon. Whether it ever actually becomes a mandate or not, SDV will poise the CATV companies to provide it f need be.

    I'm not sure of your point. The aborted IPO was several years ago. Time Warner divested themselves of us when our stock was up, as well. We used to be owned by them, too.
     
  17. Aug 14, 2007 #197 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    Oh, by the way, depending on where in Austin you live, Grande might be an alternative to TWC. I believe they have a significant amount of plant in Austin. (I could be mistaken.)
     
  18. Aug 14, 2007 #198 of 2401
    lrhorer

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    Personally I would find it difficult to care very much less. Having viewed 1080i content for a while, I find it rather difficult to watch 480i material. In San Antonio there is only 1 channel I cannot get I really wish I could, and that is A&E HD. Of course you aren't going to be in San Antonio, but even in Austin most of the SDV channels are 480i. It does look like you're out of luck with Fox Sports HD, A&E HD, Music HD, Cinemax HD, and Starz HD. For me, I would only care about A&E HD and StarzHD. Of course, your mileage may vary, and for some reason you might actually want some of those SD channels, but the list leaves me pretty non-plussed.
     
  19. Aug 14, 2007 #199 of 2401
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    Thereby depriving themselves of a year's worth of sales. :rolleyes: And they still don't know, so they still wouldn't have an HD product in the marketplace. I cannot believe you actually, seriously, think that's a smart idea, given their tenuous financial situation.
     
  20. Aug 14, 2007 #200 of 2401
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    And they may never, which is why I corrected your earlier misstatements to that effect.
     

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