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S3 upgrade help please.

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by pablopsd, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    About 60 seconds after the first screen, which is on the motherboard, shows up, the light change on the front that's your cue to do whatever you're supposed to do with the remote for that particular model to enter a Kickstart code happens, and the next "just a few more minutes" screen, which is on the hard drive should come up within 30 to 60 seconds after that.

    If it's still sitting on that second screen after 5 minutes, chances are it's not going to move on, although I'm not sure exactly what causes it to freeze at that point, but at least that second screen means the motherboard can communicate with the drive.
     
  2. unitron

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    As I just mentioned, the welcome screen is built into the motherboard (as in it's on one of the chips on the board), and it'll come up even if there's no hard drive connected to the TiVo at all.

    If that other drive was blank, and didn't have the right TiVo software on it, then you wouldn't see anything but the first screen because it wouldn't be able to move beyond that.
     
  3. unitron

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    You should check the power supply's DC outputs with a voltmeter to make sure the cap change brought it up to snuff.

    The 648 supply has an adjustment potentiometer you can turn very slowly and carefully if all of the output voltages are low.
     
  4. pablopsd

    pablopsd New Member

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    What should it read, and where would i check it? Getting scary now! :)
     
  5. unitron

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    Read this:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9866861#post9866861

    and mentally add in that the 648 also has a gray or white or maybe brown wire (anyway it ain't yellow, red, or orange) which should read 7.5 Volts. It's the power for the front panel display and almost certain to be fine.

    The black wires are all at ground potential and should read 0 Volts relative to ground, because they are ground.
     
  6. pablopsd

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    So i pulled a 250GB Seagate drive from my Mac Pro, and formatted with the 250 GB image using WinMFS, and grew that in. Very quickly into a guided setup. Seems to be very responsive. Will get through that and do a clear and delete so it recognizes my subscription, and see what happens. Steering away from those WD drives. If this works, maybe i will buy an upgraded HD. How do you think this Seagate will hold up in the tiro? P/N 9BD133-045 Barracuda 7200 RPM 250GB drive.
     
  7. pablopsd

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    yellow 12.2
    red 5.03
    orange 3.27
    all under load, HD is hooked up. those seem pretty good from what i read from the link above.
     
  8. sfhub

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    I don't remember which WD drive you got, but the WD20EURS works well with S3. It is probably around $90-$95.
     
  9. pablopsd

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    i have a WD5000AACS and a WD5000AZRX both sitting here. The Seagate seems to be working fine. Got through a whole setup process, did a clear and delete, now going through setup again. Seems to be working.
     
  10. unitron

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    The WD5000AACS (which I thought I recognized as a Caviar Blue but apparently I'm wrong) should work fine with any TiVo that didn't come with a stock drive bigger than 500GB. although for an S1 you'll need a Marvell chipset based SATA/IDE adapter and for an S2 a Marvell or JMicron chipset based one.

    (However, S1s are notoriously finicky about drives, so I could be wrong about this particular model working in one)

    And you must run wdidle3.exe to disable Intellipark.


    The WD5000AZRX I'm much less sure about.

    I seem to recall reading about WDs with Z and X added to the model name/number having problems with TiVos, especially older ones.

    And I don't know if it does Intellipark or not.


    Of course both of those suffer from being about 1.5TB too small. :D

    Of course just because a particular model works doesn't guarantee that a particular drive doesn't have problems for whatever reason even if it is one of the models that's supposed to work.

    Drives do not improve with age or use, and even brand new an occasional one destined for an early grave slips past QC.


    If the Seagate is working, leave it in there for now and check the couch cushions for spare change and start looking for a good deal on a WD20EURS.

    Can you run XP or later on that Mac somehow and run WinMFS on that?
     
  11. pablopsd

    pablopsd New Member

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    Seagate is fine. Believe it or not, we were content with the 250GB drive! We don't keep a ton, we record, watch and or transfer, then delete. I can run XP with WinMFS, and I did run wdidle on the WD drives, but neither wants to work. I was able to format the Seagate drive on the Mac with XP and WinMFS. I did a backup of my drive too after it was all set up and running after clear and delete.
    The AZRX is brand new drive, Jan 2013 manufacture. the AACS is a Caviar Green drive, manufactured 2008. Thanks for all your help. I will see what i can come up with for a drive.
     
  12. unitron

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    If that Mac will let you connect those WDs straight to a SATA port, and if it'll boot from the UBCD, run the WD long test on them and see if they've got problems or not, 'cause I don't see why that AACS shouldn't have worked in the TiVo.
     
  13. pablopsd

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    Honestly, I can't recall if I ran WDidle on both drives or not. Pretty sure I did on the newer one, can't recall on the other. Will check that again first.:)
     
  14. pablopsd

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    Took a look at things today. The older AACS i did run WDIdle3 on, and its disabled, so I'm not going to bother trying these drives again. Unit is still working with the Seagate, so someday ill grab a new HD, and swap it out. Now just need to put a bootable drive back in the computer, since i stole it's drive for the Tivo!. Not a big deal, as these 500GB WD drives do run in there fine. Thanks again for all the help.

    Paul
     

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