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S3 + Plasma = Useless Remote?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by SLCMike, Sep 18, 2006.

  1. Sep 25, 2006 #41 of 224
    lightrunner

    lightrunner New Member

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    Yeah I can't believe the beta testers didn't run into this. Or maybe they did and Tivo Support just advised them to use a hood so they could stay on target with the Tivo S3 release date.
    I suggest every body on this post to contact engadget, slashdot, gizmodo etc... the more there is media attention the more likely Tivo will come up with a solution. In the mean time the fix that I mentioned by covering the IR sensor hole behind the faceplate is working great. And you dont even see it or notice it even when looking closely where the IR sensor is. And really after opening the S3 it only took 20 minutes to do. So if your like me and you don't want anything covering your S3 and you want it as it came out of the box (externall that is) than this is a good solution until they come out with a fix. I checked to make sure there was no extreme heat dissapation that would effect the GLAD PressSeal and there is almost no heat in the back of the Face Plate. Hope this works for you guys.
    Take a look at the pictures the link in my previous post which show what I did. Just incase here is the link again.

    http://public.fotki.com/lightrunner/tivo_remote_fix/
     
  2. Sep 25, 2006 #42 of 224
    MichaelK

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    apparently differnt brands of TV's behave differently- yes.
     
  3. Sep 25, 2006 #43 of 224
    bocktar

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    ECHO. Especially given the fact that knowledge about IR issues with plasmas has been available for years. It should be a basic test for any CE company nowadays.

    That said, my plasma causes no problems, so it's possible they DID test with plasmas, but not with plasmas that actually generate the undesired effect.
     
  4. Sep 25, 2006 #44 of 224
    ronfl

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    Lightrunner,

    So is your "fix" with the clear wrap intended to just gently push back the RF diode behind the front plane of the panel or to give a more translucent cover over the diode to block random IR signals?
     
  5. Sep 25, 2006 #45 of 224
    lightrunner

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    ronfl,
    The second. To give a more translucent cover over the diode to block random IR signals. I tried using that onion paper but this just covered up the IR hole. The IR Sensor has to fit through this hole so I had to use something flexible that would allow a small dimple so the IR sensor (diode) could fit into it and give the same shielding effects as the onion paper did when used as a full hood. Just make sure you are using something translucent and NOT CLEAR like saran wrap or something. It should be somewhat like the onion paper.
     
  6. Sep 25, 2006 #46 of 224
    micro98

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    I have mine on a stand under my tv i was about 17ft away and able to control it with a blanket over the remote. "completely covered"
     
  7. Sep 25, 2006 #47 of 224
    Innerloop

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    On my setup, one POSSIBLE reason it might work better is that I have another similar-sized component sitting directly on top of the S3 Tivo, the Samsung BluRay player. Perhaps just having another 3" tall component directly above the IR sensor with the screen a few inches further back is enough to shadow the IR sensor?

    Or perhaps the smaller 42" Plasma are less of an issue, or the Samsungs are not causing the same level of interference.
     
  8. Sep 25, 2006 #48 of 224
    MichaelK

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    BIG FAT WARNING

    sounds like a great solution- but anyone trying it should be supper carefull to plug the white ribbon cable back in all the way.

    On some older model tivo's if the ribbon cable wasn't seated proberly when the unit was powered up it burned something out and the unit would get screwed.

    Might not be a probelm with the S3 but I'd hate to be the guy to confrim that it is still a problem.


    here's the post about the older S2's
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=105719

     
  9. Sep 25, 2006 #49 of 224
    lightrunner

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    good note MichaelK since there were no pins or zif type clips, I had to make sure that the white ribbon cable was firmly inserted. Also I don't know how this would affect warranty but this procedure did not break any seals and if your careful with the torque screws you can't even tell the box was ever opened.
    On another note maybe some of those people not having the same issue got their S3's from a different plant where they use slightly different fabrication methods. Or maybe the sensors are from different manufacturers or the green circuit board that it is attached to.
     
  10. Sep 25, 2006 #50 of 224
    raober

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    I have a 43" Pioneer plasma (PDP4340HD I think is the model) bolted on top of a 1-1 1/2" thick piece of wood on my stand, with the S3 underneath. I am having no remote issues whatsoever. So, smaller plasmas may not be as much of an issue, perhaps.
     
  11. Sep 25, 2006 #51 of 224
    MichaelK

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    i think brand name and model is the relevent thing- I have just a 37 inch lcd and that's enough to screw things up.
     
  12. Sep 25, 2006 #52 of 224
    MichaelK

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    this post:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4412654&&#post4412654

    seems to indicate it's not an issue anymore, but i still wouldn't like to find out the hard way.

    BAsically OP said unit got stuck at boot so he took it apart and plugged the cable back in and all was well.
     
  13. Sep 25, 2006 #53 of 224
    zalusky

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    I havent hooked yet but all my equipment is in a cabinet and I use an IR distribution purchased ffrom a company like hometech.com.

    I then make sure each led transmitter is attached to my various units DVD, Receiver, Tivo, VCR(???) and convered with black tape to prevent multiple IRs signal from coming in. I then connect the IR receiver to the side of the plasma. I then aim only at one spot and do not IR reflection causing multiple IR reflection signals from walls whatever hitting the sensors.
     
  14. Sep 25, 2006 #54 of 224
    eisenb11

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    Hmm, looks like I may need to pick up some baggies next time I go shopping... :D
     
  15. Sep 25, 2006 #55 of 224
    sfjase

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    We have a Panasonic 50" plasma, and had the same remote control problem with the Series 3 box we received from TiVo. Returned that one, and bought another box at a local store, but it had the same problem.

    BUT, after letting TiVo go through its setup (using the buttons on the front panel) and connecting to the service (using the phone line, because the network connection won't work - but that's another story!), the problem eventually went away! Well, not completely, but the remote control is probably 90%+ usable now.

    I don't know if the box downloaded a software fix or not, but the main point is that there is hope -- your TiVo may fix itself if you complete the setup and let it get the initial downloads. Good luck!
     
  16. Sep 25, 2006 #56 of 224
    ronfl

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    Instead of opening the box (hoping TiVo has a fix soon), I cut a 1x1 inch square from the vellum (onion paper) that was on top of the box, and taped it over the IR sensor (just to the left of the controls). If you take a flash light up to the front you can see the round opening in the plastice.

    At least this looks better than draping the whole sheet across and I can see the clock and whats recording. Still a littlle ghetto looking considering we paid $1000 if you include the lifetime transfer.
     
  17. Sep 25, 2006 #57 of 224
    bsalles

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    Lightrunner is a genius! I did the 6 strip fix and it works 100% perfect!

    I was using the RF Blaster that Weaknees sells with a custom transmitter that covered the entire TiVo IR receiver area but it was only about 98% responsive. Now with the Glad 6 Strip Fix it works 100% with no blaster.

    I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma and the S3 is located below it under a shelf. The only concern I have is that TiVo will release a software update that will reduce the sensitivity of the IR receiver and I will need to take it apart again to remove the Glad 6 Strip Fix.

    As a side note one of the CC eject buttons is broken and when I had the box opened I found a small piece of metal that resembles a staple floating around inside. It came from the broken eject button. I have read that alot of people also have the broken button. You should all make sure that the staple looking thing is not floating around inside your S3 because there is no doubt that it will short something out!
     
  18. Sep 25, 2006 #58 of 224
    RichB

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    I have the problem with my Panasonic 657UY Plasma.
    The S2 right above it works much better.

    Is the consensus that this is a design problem and not a manufacturing problem with some units?

    I guess I have to call TiVo tomorrow.

    - Rich
     
  19. Sep 26, 2006 #59 of 224
    the0rus

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    OH MAN! lightrunners Glad seal worked! I was doubtful at first but it really works. It took me a little whiel to get around the box and had to reread teh directions a few times but once it was done I installed it back in entertainment unit and now its working 100%. and he's right you cant see it one bit not if you shine a liight up it. saves me the hassel on taking this back to bbuy. Tivo has my email they will follow up with a fix if there ever is one I hope. Your a GENIUS lightrunner! crazy what people come up with absolutely brilliant.
     
  20. Sep 26, 2006 #60 of 224
    shootedit5

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    Are you fing serious? I just bought my plasma LG 50PY2DR to go with my new tivo. Now I am running into the same problem. Are you FING serious. %$@%@% ^$#&%$&* %&*$*%$&%^@#@(*^&
    Found this post after scouring the web for help. Now I have to run to the store for some fing Glad Press Seal? this is insane! And I dont want to cover my Tivo either. I even bought a salamander rack for my av stuff where the tivo sits right on top. Moved the thing every where and still it doesnt work. GREAT!
     

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