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Roku 3 with Play On vs Tivo Premiere

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bacevedo, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Apparently PlayOn is still commited to providing HD per this recent post on their forum:
    http://www.playon.tv/forum/help/ins...-mplayontv-try-maxthon-cloud-br#comment-36924
    That post also says they're working on something for Chromecast and that they don't plan to have a supported PC browser client. (XBMC can be used for that).

    I've used PlayOn for 1.5 years now. It's not perfect but if you have major problems with video buffering and pauses it's probably not the PlayOn software at fault -- rather some problem with your PC, network, or internet.

    While support via their forum can sometimes be hit-or-miss, they have a very effective support problem reporting system built into the software itself. You provide just a few details and the system sends that plus a detailed set of log information into their support system, creating a ticket. I don't think it's ever been more than a few hours before I've had a response using this.
     
  2. bacevedo

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    I have also purchased a lifetime Playon + PlayLater license to try it out for 30 days to compare to Plex. This week is the first week that everything will be put to the test because Amazing Race, Mentalist, and Revolution all just started back up. I still have the Tivos plugged in and recording as back up to make sure everything works before I ditch them.

    Based on what I saw this weekend, it looks like the shows are put on the website the day after. So we won't ever be able to watch the night of the show unless we watch it live OTA. However, most of the time, we don't watch it that night anyway because we are busy and have to watch it later in the week. We'll see how much of an issue this is as the season progresses.

    As for Playon, I was mostly dissapointed with it as compared to Plex. The picture quality isn't as good as Plex and it seems to be a resource hog on my PC when watching a show. I have a fairly powerful PC (a few years old, but an Intel core i7, 8GB RAM, Win 7 64 bit, high end graphics card, etc.) but Playon seems to burden it. Plex didn't seem to be as hard on it. The only positive for Playon is the much larger channel support, including regular Hulu.

    After we watch our shows this week, I'll have more feedback on the Tivo cutting. So far though, my kids love the Roku. It's so fast, has great picture quality and let's them get to their Netflix shows quickly.

    I ended up getting the X2000 from Fry's (it was on sell last week for $499). I thought that was a great deal for a $650 receiver. I am very happy with the "upgrade". It's technically a downgrade in the Denon model line up, but the trickle down technology over the last 12 years has made it a huge upgrade for me. Plus, with Klipsch speakers, I wasn't using any of the power the 3802 had. The Audyssey XT really improved the sound and made setup a breeze. The X2000 is much shallower and lighter than the 3802. I forgot what a beast the 3802 was - the power supply is huge.

    I have the 3802 listed on Craigslist for $150 (which I suspect is too high). No hits yet. I have learned to list it for a little higher than I really want for it so there is some haggle room. And sometimes you get a bite from the person who just gets it for your asking price right off the bat.

    As for Tivo, yes, I get that I am paying their software licensing model fee, but in the end I don't care what it is - I don't want to keep paying monthly/yearly for something that I don't feel that I am getting a value out of. And no way am I paying $400 or $500 each for a lifetime fee. Technology moves too fast to invest that kind of money for something like this. If they offered up a $99 lifetime now that the Roamio is out, I would probably do that and keep them just for OTA recording and nothing else.
     
  3. bacevedo

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    It's official, the Tivos are out. I already factory reset one of them and will be listing on craigslist in the next few days. I'll probably do the other one in a day or so as well.

    I got a refund for PlayOn. We tried to watch a Hulu show through it and it was painful, presenting 2+ minute commercials for every break that you couldn't fast forward through. And the worst thing is that they were mostly the same commercials. How effective is that to see the same annoying commercial over and over?

    The picture quality on our 52" and 55" TVs were not up to par as compared to Plex, either. The other thing that is weird is that it was obivous it was just passing through the IE window to our TV. When the show first started it was showing the player controls like I was watching in the browser. Also, it didn't really know how much time was left in the show. It always showed 00 of 00 minutes. How they think they can charge that kind of money for that poor implementation is crazy.

    Another thing I didn't realize is that my TVs have built in TV Guide in them and can display a lot of info about the show that's airing. We won't really miss the Tivos and their fees!
     
  4. Beryl

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    Google for and install the SS-Plex channel. I think you will be very happy with it.
     
  5. bacevedo

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    I tried doing that earlier (when you first suggested it) but it didn't work. It wasn't showing up in my plex channels. I am thinking that maybe I needed to uncheck the compatibility setting. I recently had to do that to get the ABC channel to show up.

    I'll try installing it again this weekend to see if I can get it to work.
     
  6. Beryl

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    Sorry for repeating. I find that channel one of the best ones on Plex and use it extensively on my Rokus and Apple TV (via Airplay).

    It is frustrating when channels don't show up. I'm having a similar problem with TiVo.Bundle not showing up. The compatibility setting is checked (disabled) in my settings.
     
  7. bacevedo

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    So I installed the channel. My issue is that I was installing it in the wrong folder. Once I found the real plug in folder and dropped it there, it showed up.

    But now I can't seem to get it to play any video. I tried White Collar. It found the video, but then it can't seem to play it on my Roku. At the same time, my anti-virus on my PC alerted me to a block for billionuploads.com, which was one of the sources SS Plex was trying to hit.

    So I am a little leery at the moment of what this plug in is actually doing.

    Did you have to do anything else to get video to play? I literally just downloaded the bundle and dropped it in the plug in folder. Any settings that need to be changed?

    I know this isn't the SS Plex support forum, so if you don't have any quick tips I'll take my questions elsewhere.
     
  8. Beryl

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    SS-Plex wasn't working for anyone for a few days. There is a newer version that must be renamed -- remove the "stable" in the file name, install, and restart Plex. You can read more about it in the Plex forum.

    There is also a newer version of Plex Media Server which may have be the reason the TiVo channel didn't want to show up for me. PMS "check for updates" told me that I had the latest but I didn't.
     
  9. dlfl

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    Since it's been discussed in this thread, I note that PlayOn now can stream HD:
    http://www.playon.tv/features/hd
    It's currently an option that costs a few bucks, and it seems to work. It will provide up to 1280x720p provided (1) the source has more than SD resolution and (2) the PlayOn client device supports more than SD.
     
  10. Beryl

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    Thanks dlfl. $8 for the upgrade isn't too bad.
     
  11. Aero 1

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    you just got the $8 offer for just playon? are you on a yearly license? hmm, my offer was $4.99 for each playon and playlater. $10 for both. not bad all at. I'm on lifetime license for both.
     
  12. dlfl

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    The upgrades cover one license key. If you have PlayLater that must be upgraded at additional cost. My cost was $4.99, for my annual PlayOn subscription, with 3 months remaining in it. I don't have PlayLater.

    I don't know what their long term price structure will be but wouldn't be surprised if it changes.
     
  13. Beryl

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    It covered both my Playon and PlayLater lifetime licenses.
    Edit: I bought the "PlayOn and PlayLater bundle" so that might account for the reduced upgrade cost.
     
  14. Beryl

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    Used PlayLater to download the last episode of Person of Interest. The size was 5x the size of the 480p version I already had so I thought it would come in at 720p. It came in with commercials just 480p (per Plex and my eyes). I'll try something else to verify HD.
     
  15. Davelnlr_

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    Thanks for the tip. As an original lifetime subscriber, it only cost me $4.99 one time to add HD. Well worth it, if it works. Will be testing it out tomorrow. Just got PlayOn installed on my new i7 PC, and everything shows MAX on the tests, so hoping for the best.
     
  16. Coffee

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    It sounds like you could probably save a lot of money anually by just getting one of the new blu-ray players. Aside from providing access to Netflix, you can also do Hulu and Amazon (both instant video and Prime) on most of them. In addition... you can play blu-ray movies.

    That saves you $130/yr and you can cut your cable, which would probably end up being tons more than that.
     
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    I thought those only did Hulu Plus.
     
  18. bacevedo

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    What I didn't like about PlayOn vs Plex (besides the difference in video quality) was that PlayOn had commercials that you couldn't fast forward through. And they were the same commercials over and over again. I won't be tempted by PlayOn (even with HD) until they change that.

    Plex is still working great for us. We have decided to keep one Tivo Premiere (I already sold the other one) to record things live that you may not be able to get streaming. I'll be trying to get lifetime for $199 on that here pretty shortly, so we'll see if I am successful.
     
  19. Davelnlr_

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    Can you access Hulu (not HuluPlus) with Plex? I havent found anything other than PlayOn that can assess the free Hulu.
     
  20. magicspell

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    This is not a function of PlayOn but rather a function of the video feed (most likely Hulu). PlayOn does not insert commercials into the feed themselves but only streams what comes from the source.
    That's one reason I stopped using Hulu as the source for 90% of what I watch via PlayOn.
     

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