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Roamio vs XBox One?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by HarperVision, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I think you and many others are missing the entire point of the thread. I'm NOT talking about just the WMC experience that I and so many people have been using for years with a pc and extenders. Sure, that's the first, interim stage of this, but what I AM talking about is whether the XBox One will REPLACE the current PC portion of that setup (using an external Ethernet or USB cable card tuner and external hard drive (geez how many times do I have to say that in is thread?!?!?!), a la' the Ceton, Silicon Dust, ATI, etc), which we already know from a GUI standpoint is a much different experience for the guide, etc. than the current Windows Media Center. Then you can use the XBox 360s as extenders and media hubs at each of your other TVs which is where you get your LIVE TV, PAUSED TV, TIME SHIFTED RECORDED TV, apps such as TWC, espn, Netflix, Hulu, amazon, etc etc etc.(similar to a roku and many more than TiVo currently or may ever have!) Then of course there's the whole IPTV possibilities. I could go on and on.

    I KNOW you can't time shift or skip commercials within those apps, but you're also missing the point there as well. Those apps are an ADDED BONUS to the DVR functionality you're already getting with the tuner, e-HDD, XBone, 360 setup I just mentioned above! Imagine you have an HDHR Prime 3CC which only has 3 tuners, and 2 are recording and someone else is watching the third, well NOW you can and have the option of watching another channel of live TV with the TWC or espn apps, without another physical tuner!

    What I see is TiVo "promising" a lot, which does sound cool, but right now Microsoft already has it, and is a LOT bigger company which bodes well for research and implementation of future technologies and capabilities.

    Are you seeing the problem NOW? Is anyone even really reading this whole thread? I guess a few hundred years ago you would've told me the world is flat if I would've mentioned I believe there's strong evidence that its round. :rolleyes:

    So, you either want to try to understand what I'm trying to get across here, or not. Want to move into the future, or not. ;)
     
  2. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Well sure there's lots of boxes that can run apps but none of them other than an HTPC can do it alongside WMC (and that won't change since the Xbone won't do WMC), so what's your point?

    At best the Xbone will be yet another streamer and possibly a crappy cloud-based DVR, but it won't work as you dream it will. And it will actually be worse without WMC.

    Agree that once we move past all this Cablecard nonsense into the IPTV streaming world, Tivo will look like a sad sack compared to just about everyone else, EXCEPT that it will still be a great DVR. You can't say that about anything else at this point, including the Xbone. It's just wishful thinking at this point that the Xbone could ever replace a Tivo, or even that MS would want it to.
     
  3. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    My point is, no one knows that for sure as its an evolving platform that hasn't even been released yet. And you just hit the nail right on the head for the purpose of this thread......it's a "what if" hypothetical discussion and in my mind always has been. When I posted it I was just seeking out anyone who may have more information than I currently did about the XBone's TV potential, and apparently no one here does, so just forget it. I'm just trying to evaluate whether there's a real possibility in the not too distant future that if I purchase my TiVo pro, 3 minis and lifetime for all that I'm not essentially flushing most of the costs invested down the toilet ($1750+) "should" the XBone theory I surmised happens to pan out. There is some evidence that indeed it "may"!

    I quote from their website:

    "** Supported television tuner OR cable/satellite set top box with HDMI output and HDMI cable required (all sold separately)."

    Oh yeah, I haven't even mentioned the fact that there's also an Internet browser (IE) and their partnership with the NFL which "could" also mean something similar to NFL Sunday Ticket on it, amongst other things.

    I guess no one here knows any more than I do, so it's all moot even discussing it here. To me this is a similar discussion to people asking a few months back if they should buy a premiere 4 and minis with the imminent release of a new TiVo series 5 coming. I'll decide on my own and just wait until its released to see what the future holds.
     
  4. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    So WMC was, is and will forever be the ONLY thing to ever have the capability to accomplish this? THAT is my point!

    Well I'm certainly glad you're able to see into the future! Can you tell me which stocks are about to hit it big soon and what the name and sex of my first grandchild will be? :-/
     
  5. tenthplanet

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    X-Box One is game machine at it's core. Buy it to play Halo. DVR like functions are vaporware.
     
  6. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Uh yeah, for HDMI passthrough with overlays, not as a DVR (see: Google TV). That's the point you keep missing when comparing it to a Tivo setup. The Xbone as DVR is simply wishful thinking not backed by anything that MS has said about what it will do, TV-wise.
     
  7. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Isn't the XBOne supposed to constantly record the most recent five minutes of gameplay? I think the PS4 is doing the last 15 minutes?
     
  8. anthonymoody

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    I think it's less about what has or hasn't specifically been said than it is (for me) a contemplation of where things may be headed given current trends. It's not enough for me to hold off - indeed I'm a (mostly) happy owner of a Roamio Plus. Once the cc firmware issues have been sorted and I can use all 6 tuners I'll be even happier. And happier still when the Opera App Store and place shifting are enabled.

    Fwiw I still see no reason that DVR functionality couldn't be baked into a cable co OTT app on an XBO or ps4. I'd prefer it to use local storage rather than be cloud based, but either is technically possible afaik.

    All said another way, I'd happily take a Roamio that had a BR player built in and call it a day. Or, similarly, an XBO/ps4 with an OTT cable co/DVR app built in and call it a day.

    And that would still leave me with 2 boxes bc I'd still use an appletv for all my iTunes locked content.
     
  9. Dan203

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    The XBox One is basically a PC, so anything is possible. It even runs a version of Windows 8 and allows 3rd party app development, so it's likely we'll see apps from developers like SiliconeDust and CETON to use their external tuners for live TV viewing on the XB1. However DVR functionality requires background processing at the OS level. So the only one that's going to be able to add true DVR functionality is MS. And as of right now they have not even hinted at the possibility. It's something they could do in the future, but who knows when/if that will ever happen. I certainly wouldn't count on it.
     
  10. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I guess we shall see then, huh? It's still an interesting dilemma and I believe worthy of discussion and consideration when making an expensive decision such as this.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'm not sure many people are really making that "decision". There is little, if any, overlap between a Roamio and an XB1. There could be, someday, if MS decides to add DVR functionality. But that's a big if.
     
  12. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I beg to differ with IPTV, cloud dvr and the external tuner possibilities. To not add that into your decision making process when evaluating the cost over the next couple years like we do when compared to renting a cable box or paying TiVo monthly. If in that timeframe the XBone surpasses TiVo, then it's VERY valid. To not look at this and other technologies emerging (Apple, Intel, etc.) coming fast and furious would be shortsighted when there's such a large cash outlay for tivo hardware and service, that your banking will pay off for you in the "amortized" future.

    Time to take off the TiVo colored glasses and see the entire spectrum that is out there! Like I said, I love me some TiVo and I've had one since the first Philips 14hr unit, but I have to consider ALL possibilities.
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    TiVos with lifetime tend to retain the vast majority of their value for about 2 years. So why not buy a TiVo now and then if something better comes along sell it. The loss will be almost certainly be less then throwing away money renting a cable company DVR.
     
  14. bradenmcg

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    MS is trying to get out of the "recording TV game." Evidence of this is found in Windows 8 not even including WMC anymore unless you fork over more money for the license. WMC in Win8 was also barely changed/improved -- they basically rolled in all of the patches from Win7, but AFAIK there weren't any massive changes to it.

    Just wait until you see what happens with weekly emergency broadcast system tests on a 360 acting as a WMC extender... you'll change your tune quickly. ;) (It is an incredibly annoying bug that MS has known about for a while and hasn't touched.)

    Also, the XBone doesn't include WMC Extender functionality at all.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    MS has discontinued development of Media Center. Unless they change their mind Windows 8 will be the last version to even have it as an option. They pulled it completely from Windows embedded which is why that Ceton standalone DVR was pulled from production last minute and all pre-orders canceled.
     
  16. slowbiscuit

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    The only rose colored glasses here are being worn by you while dreaming about vaporware on the Xbone. I don't think I've seen anyone agree with your 'possibilities'.
     
  17. tbielowicz

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    If anything, I can see Apple or Msft acquiring TiVo if they decide to really go after this segment.

    I hear rumors that Apple with be launching a new Apple TV in October. We will have to wait on that one.

    I do love the features where you can voice control and hand motion control the Xbone. That is just awesome. The current Kinect is ok as long as you are close and alone in the room, but the new Kinect seems to be vastly improved.

    Time will tell, but I feel that all new DVR functionality will move to the cloud 3-5 yrs from now.
     
  18. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    It's not vaporware at all because at worst from day one I'll be able to hook my HDMI tuner (tivo, cable dvr, xbox 360 MCE, directv etc) through it and take advantage of its tv integration functionality and WAY more apps than Roamio, as well as Blu ray and gaming and a host of other functions. Plus at least it has the "possibility" of being more (IPTV, cloud dvr, etc), which is also most likely more than you can say about TiVo.

    Look, I'm not trying to bash TiVo. I said it many times, I LOVE it......for what it is. It's just a LOT of $$$ initial investment so I'm trying to think ahead and also weigh my options and the easiest path to get there later on.

    Have you ever setup WMC whole home with decent extenders and multiple tuners with cablecards? Its essentially tivo without the high priced "service charges" that i personally am starting to feel would be better spent towards things like bigger storage, upgrading components, etc. If so and it worked well with a good setup, I think you and others would see my point a lot more clearly.

    Damn, I feel like a Windows guy in a Mac Forum, sheesh! :p
     
  19. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I guess it doesn't work on Roamio either, so that point's moot. :-/

    Oh and I know it's not going to be an extender. That's not my intention for it anyway. Guess it pays to read what's written here.
     

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