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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by HarperVision, Aug 29, 2013.
That cloud DVR uses the VOD system, which still requires a tuner.
The xbone TV functionality just seems like crap to be frank.
Another UI on top of my existing UI that only can tune live TV via an IR blaster? Are you kidding me? Sounds like one giant mess.
If there were to offer any cable/dvr type service in the future with the xbone I would bet money it would be IP based.
I doubt seriously we'll see any official DVR functionality. However we'll have to wait and see what the hackers can do. It is basically an x86 PC and they said it could boot into Win8, so it may not be that hard to make it into an HTPC.
Perhaps as currently deployed. But there is zero technical reason that the app couldn't be developed to include cloud DVR functionality and delivery via the app. None.
Whether it happens is a separate question obviously. But that's a way more likely scenario than any USB/wmc/Ceton outboard tuner scenario IMO.
I think a standalone company tried to do that once and they got sued out of existence. Maybe if Cablevision survives this lawsuit and wins we'll see another company attempt it. But the cable companies don't really have an incentive to use a pure IP solution when it's easier for them to use the VOD system in place.
Well, Cablevision has already survived this lawsuit and my assumption was that what I described would result from a good working partnership between a cable co and msft/sne. In other words, CV and say Msft would work together to make it happen.
As for motivation, I think down the road we'll see the geographic boundaries currently governing cable (tv) operations come to an end. They'll all chase a national footprint where every household is a potential customer. But they would do that not by pulling lines and installing boxes everywhere, but by being essentially just another OTT delivery service. So you'd still need a local broadband solution but could choose from any number of "cable" companies for TV. At that point, the features delivered by company's app, and the methods in which the app as available (eg on game consoles and BR players) matter.
Said in a much simpler way...wouldn't it be awesome if TWC, Comcast, et al had tv/dvr apps that were as ubiquitously available as Netflix's app is today? Talk about competition! And since this seems to be where apple, intel and others are already trying to get to, I think we can count on the incumbents to join the party and fight fire with fire sooner or later.
That would be awesome but a lot of laws would have to be changed for that to happen. I think we're at least a decade, maybe more, out from that happening.
Which laws? You mean cable franchises? I wouldn't think so, if marketed as an OTT service...
If you offered it as an OTT service the cable companies might start doing things like lowering data caps or throttling bandwidth to prevent you from using it. Since cable companies are usually also the only good broadband provider for most people (DSL sucks) cable companies have a lot of leverage to make sure such a service wouldn't succeed.
Agreed they have tons of leverage. I do think that the open Internet will ultimately be legislated to prevent throttling as a discriminatory/anti-competitive thing. But we shall see.
Data caps as a de-facto form of throttling is a tougher case to prove and so may ultimately be the downfall of my hopes...
What about this:
"Microsoft moves into TV
I can't argue with TiVo as it stands right now, but over the longer term, the company looks to be facing competition from a number of heavy-hitting tech giants. TiVo excels at standing in between consumers and cable providers, but other companies, such as Microsoft , are about to enter that space.
The upcoming Xbox One is far more than a video-game console. Rather, as its name suggests, it aims to be the one device consumers turn to for all of their entertainment needs. When Microsoft unveiled the device, it actually focused more on its TV capabilities than its gaming prowess.
By attaching an existing cable box to the Xbox One, cable subscribers can access their content through hand gestures and voice commands. Simply saying, "watch HBO" will change the channel. The Xbox One serves up recommendations, and lets owners see trending shows and movies. It allows for multitasking, Internet browsing, and live voice calls. Microsoft has partnered with the NFL for fantasy football, and plans to roll out additional features in the future.
At $500, it's more expensive than the Roamio, but unlike TiVo's offering, it can play the latest console games. For someone with the money to spend on the ultimate TV experience, the Xbox One might be the better buy."
From here: http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/09/03/tivos-roamio/
I don't know about all you guys, but as I'm writing this and I'm currently hooking up my new pro as we speak, and I also have a couple SD HDHR Prime 3CC tuners with WMC and Xbox extenders (and most likely an XBone coming in November for my son), I get a sick feeling that if I keep the TiVo Roamio Pro, even though I can loop it thru the XBone, that it'll have so much other tech and options in it that I'm going to feel like I wasted a crap ton of $$$ on it along with the Minis and Lifetime service?
PLEASE someone reassure me that my future visions (which have been surprisingly very accurate over the years I might add!) may be skewed or incorrect. :-/
Dave "torn between 2 awesome geek toys" Harper
Dave I have the same anxieties as you. I have a feeling that sooner or later either a PS4 or XBO (or appletv...) will eliminate the need for a separate cable box entirely via OTT apps (I think the hdmi passthrough of the XBO, combined with IR repeaters and double overlays is a poor solution).
In the meantime though I will enjoy my Roamio Plus. And, my gut is that it will be in the range of at least a couple-3 years before an app based solution offers *all* the features of the TiVo, if ever.
Thanks Anthony! I'm not so much worried about OTT replacing broadcast cable DVR just yet. What i mean is, why wouldn't I just use my HDHomerun Primes and my PC with WMC and XBox 360 extenders for now, and then add the XBone into the mix in Nov? I've been messing with my son's 360 and I gotta tell you the GUI, interface, integration and OTT apps and performance are pretty impressive and it's only going to get better once XBone is released. I have Time warner and they just released their app for the 360 to watch over 300 channels, they have a very cool ESPN app, FOXNow, TV news apps and all the regular apps like netflix, hulu, vudu, amazon, plays your home media, etc etc etc.
I just have this gut feeling that if not immediately, then soon after release that there will be some cool interaction with your 360s and most importantly for this forum's clientele, the hub of your whole home media system including using external Ethernet or USB tuners and HDDs as a stop gap to what you're saying with OTT apps replacing it eventually.
I personally think this change in TV is happening a lot sooner than many people here think and Microsoft is a LOT bigger to be able to roll with these changes than TiVo can. Don't get me wrong one bit though, I LOVE me some TiVo too!!! I just can't shake these feelings.
Dave "are you ready for some football!!!" Harper
I don't think TiVo will go away. I think Apple probably has a better shot of making a dent than Microsoft does.
Remember, Microsoft was going to take control of everything with the MSN TV back in the day, and also with the Zune to dethrone the iPod, and the Surface kill the iPad. We'll see how much of an impact it really has.
I'd agree with you in those other points, but their Xbox platform is a whole other story and is wildly successful.
I hear you about interface and performance. I use a ps3 for both bluray and all non-iTunes media streaming...amazon, Netflix, Vudu and they all work phenomenally.
I've eyed the TWC app situation on Xbox with envy. I have family who are subs and would check it out if they ever rolled it out on PS3 (or 4...)
This may all be a moot point for me anyway cuz I'm having the tuning and black screen issue on my pro, so I hooked up my hdhr prime, paired the cable card with it and have been testing windows MC and the very same channels I had so many issues tuning on the TiVo come popping right up in milliseconds in Media Center! The hardware may be making my decision for me. :/
Sometimes I wish I didn't hate windows so much
WEll the Time Warner app doesn't time shift nor skip commercials.
The ESPN app is great for watching content they aren't showing on the ESPN channels, but I found the picture to be substandard. And the controls to skip through the video to be substandard as well.
The WMC experience won't change with the xbox one so ...not seeing the problem here.
You either want WMC or Tivo. Want to time shift programs and skip commercials or not.