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Roamio S5 TiVo reviews and facts

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Sep 6, 2013 #841 of 899
    Dan203

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    No, it's either or
     
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    Dan203

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    I think VP8 decoding might require new hardware, but it might also be doable via a firmware update. From my understanding it's very similar to H.264 so Broadcom might be able to update the firmware on the chip in the TiVo to add VP8 decoding, if it doesn't already support it.

    The chip in the Stream has an H.264 decoder already, so that is likely a software issue. I expect it will be fixed soon since more and more cable companies are starting to add H.264 channels.
     
  3. Sep 6, 2013 #843 of 899
    atmuscarella

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    I pretty much agree, but who knows what's coming. Maybe HDMI 2.0, 4K support, support for whatever is coming after MPEG 4, 6 OTA tuners, support for OTA & Cable together. But honestly for OTA my new Roamio is amazing and software updates should be able to keep it cutting edge for years to come.
     
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    No, it's either cable, or antenna. Not both.
     
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    Dan203

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    These are all sort of one in the same. HDMI 2.0 is only needed for 4K, and the next codec after MPEG-4 is H.265 aka HEVC and will only be used for 4K. And I seriously doubt there will be any real demand for 4K within the next 3-4 years. I'm betting we're still 5+ years away from real deployment of 4K in broadcast.

    I could see them maybe doing a 6 tuner OTA or OTA+Cable box, but I don't think that would warrant a whole new series. In the past they haven't changed the series unless they upgraded the main CPU. That wouldn't be necessary just to add more OTA tuners.

    I'm sure we'll find some shortcomings over the next few years that we'll wish for in the S6, but at this point I just don't see it. The Roamio is the most complete TiVo, hardware wise, that has ever existed.
     
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    One reason to iterate the hardware might be to provide a more robust app. platform if it does take off.

    Wouldn't it be awesome if something like Plex or XBMC was ported to this?

    But Tivo may try to stay in the good graces of the content companies and disallow any app. to facilitate the viewing of "unauthorized" content -- could be pirated content or could be content that you converted from another format, like from optical media to digital.
     
  7. Sep 6, 2013 #847 of 899
    Dan203

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    The apps platform is HTML5, which is where most of the industry is going. I saw a post on the Plex forurm where someone was already working on porting Plex to HTML5 for Boxee, so if that get's finished then it should be relatively easy to submit it to the Opera TV Store and have it end up on TiVo. Other major services like Amazon and VUDU already have HTML5 implementations, so they should be easy to port over as well. I don't know what other apps platform they could adopt that would be better.

    I guess they could upgrade with a faster CPU and better GPU for fancier apps, but no one is really going to want to play Angry Birds using their TiVo remote anyway so that's probably unnecessary.
     
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    dswallow

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    The next iteration will be consolidating/miniaturizing -- more functionality combined into a single chipset, fewer things to populate on the motherboard, lower parts costs, et. al.
     
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    Dan203

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    I could see that. The Stream part is definitely tacked on right now (uses it's own IP address) so I could see better integration there. But that wouldn't really give us current Roamio users incentive to upgrade. Unless of course they purposely withheld software features.
     
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    wco81

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    That's what I meant, more beefy SOCs with more integrated RAM.

    My understanding is there's a range of performance of things like Netflix on say a tablet vs. Apple TV vs. smart TV vs. a smart Blu-Ray player, etc.

    Because of differences in the processors, probably resources like RAM and hardware decoding, etc.
     
  11. Sep 6, 2013 #851 of 899
    Dan203

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    I agree they'll probably beef up the hardware eventually. But if the current hardware still works good, and there are no other compelling features, then most people wont be compelled to upgrade.

    See I've been on this forum for many years. Way back in the S3 days we talked about how cool it would be to have a built in transcoder for transferring to portable devices and streaming like a Slingbox. We also talked about how cool it would be to have more tuners and giant hard drives. It seems with the Roamio all of our hardware related wishes have been granted, so I'm not sure where we go from here. There are still a TON of software features I'd like to see, so I'm hoping that now that they have the hardware specs of our dreams they can focus on software and get us all those features we've been asking for for so long.
     
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    wco81

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    Hmm, if Tivo depends on continuing to sell hardware, they could be in trouble. The cable and satellite companies are improving their products so it'll be harder for Tivo to attract sales from the mass market.

    Comcast is touting a cloud DVR. Sounds like they'd store your recordings in the cloud and stream it to clients, both living room and mobile. They wouldn't need tuners or a lot of local storage in that case. They might not really record so much as tag content you want to record for your locker and then indicate that you can view that content as long as you're a subscriber.

    Yeah the Roamio may be the end of the traditional DVR, at least the traditional 3rd-party DVR.

    Unless the cable companies scrap Cable Card and come out with something else.
     
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    Joe Siegler

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    Have to wait and see what tech crops up in the meantime. Were Slingboxes around when Premieres were new? The answer to that may not exist yet.

    Also with all the stuff that has been added, the Premieres have gotten pretty slow. Over time, it wouldn't surprise me if the Roamio box set slow with new things we don't know about yet.

    A Series 6 would probably be a more powerful footprint, larger HD's, etc, etc. True "new stuff" is harder to say right now. Going by that chart above, the original iPhone came out about a year after Series 3 was released. Look where mobile phones are now because of that. :)
     
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    Dan203

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    TiVo has shifting toward being an MSO DVR supplier, rather then a retail DVR, for many years. I think they see the writing on the wall. In fact if you look at the new UI on the Roamio, compared to older units, it's very generic. Replace the TiVo logo with a Comcast logo and you'd never even know it was a TiVo unless you'd seen one before. I think that's where they're ultimately heading. They may continue to sell retail units just to increase their subscriber pool, but I doubt it'll be their main source of income 5 years from now.
     
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    Dan203

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    Slingbox was released in 2006, TiVo premiere in 2010, Roamio 2013. So if that tradition holds true anything that might be in the S6 3-4 years form now has already been invented.

    But I understand what you're saying. I'm just not sure a beefier CPU and bigger HDD will be enough to justify a new series if the old one is still going strong. The Premiere was a piece of crap, so people were itching for something new. The Roamio has the potential to be the last TiVo I'll ever need provided they keep up the software.
     
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    Joe Siegler

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    You've been around as long as I have. Do you believe that about keeping up software?

    I mean, we still don't have Amazon Prime Streaming. Yeah, yeah, I know why. But if someone wanted it there hard enough, it would be there. Still don't have a complete HD menu system from what I'm reading.

    Don't get me wrong, I'll end up with Roamios. I've had a TiVo for 13 years now, but fast moving software updates aren't really what TiVo seems to be about based on past history.
     
  17. Sep 6, 2013 #857 of 899
    Dan203

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    TiVo seems to be turning over a new leaf in the last year with regards to software. I'm hoping that trend continues, or picks up pace, going forward. But I'm prepared to have my optimistic hopes dashed. :)
     
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    Joe Siegler

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    I'd love my overlay sarcastic self be proven wrong. We'll see how it goes. :)
     
  19. Sep 6, 2013 #859 of 899
    innocentfreak

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    I remember when the Premiere had 3-4 major updates in a year, and how psyched we all were. TiVo also became suddenly open with their communication.

    Then the next year it was back to hush-hush and one update.
     
  20. Sep 6, 2013 #860 of 899
    morac

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    There's a history of having a lot of updates when a new Series is released. The Series 2 used to have 4 updates a year, which slowly tapered off as it got closer to the next Series's release. The same thing happened with the Series 3 and Premiere. I expect the same thing with the Roamio.
     

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