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Roamio S5 TiVo reviews and facts

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    If you don't already have Cat5e or Cat6 network cables to everyplace a networked device will be, and can afford a few adapters, the required POE filters, and filters for other Cable devices that would be disrupted by receiving a MoCA signal, it's really ideal, unless you want/need gigabit Ethernet. MoCA is getting faster, but last I checked, it's still around ~250Mbps. The main thing people LOVE about it is the need for only ONE cable, to carry both your cable signal and the networking.
     
  2. rothsss

    rothsss New Member

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    I am replacing my 3 secondary TiVos with 3 Minis. These 3 TiVos have both a coax and a Cat5 connection. I understand that for the Minis I need one or the other connection. I was wondering whether I will notice a difference depending on which one I keep and which one I disconnect.
     
  3. TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    Sorry, but this post is confusing to this noob. :)

    I have Cat6 running to the location where my Roamio Basic will be and where the Mini will be. The Cat6 connects to a Gig router.

    Will this work?
     
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Only on devices that support gigabit Ethernet, that find themselves on a MoCA, or 100Mbit network (where the devices can, and do, actually use the extra bandwidth).

    It all depends on what the equipment can support, and if it even uses the full bandwidth of what it supports. For example, TiVo HD models had 100Mbit Ethernet, but only ran at ~60Mbps, because they were underpowered. You could get ~85, or more Mbps if you put one into standby while transferring a show off that unit (more processor cycles to run the networking).

    If You have gigabit Ethernet, a switch, and use one of those ports for a computer/laptop, it's network performance would suffer if you switched it to a MoCA bridge to Ethernet adapter, instead.

    Really, unless there's computers involved, MoCA *should* be enough. You can always have a mix-and-match of Ethernet and MoCA (and bridges between them). I can't comment on the new TiVos, and if you'd notice with those. I don't own any.

    Unless you are really wanting to lower the number of cables, if you already have them there, I'd say keep them and use them. Some people are bothered by the sight of cables. You can always hide them, or but snap-together plastic channels to run them through.

    The day I see both reliable and gigabit MoCA, may be the day I consider changing-over. Otherwise, if the networking cables are there, I'm going to just use them.
     
  5. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Certainly! If you're not looking to eliminate extra wires, which are already there, why take out the fastest and most reliable networking method, right? I sure wouldn't.
     
  6. TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    Thanks!

    I just received the email from TiVo my Roamio Basic and Mini have shipped. I can't wait to take my 2 DVRs back to my cable company and exchange them for 1 CableCard. :D
     
  7. wco81

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    Hmm, I have 30-year old coax in the walls.

    Is that going to be enough for MOCA?
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    MoCa is adaptive so it typically just slows down over lower quality wires. However it does eventually get to the point where it wont work. If MoCa doesn't work then you could always use WiFi or buy some powerline adapters. Or pull some new coax.
     
  9. wco81

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    How long does it take to degrade?

    I was thinking the bigger issue was that the coax used 30 years ago weren't rated to carry as much bandwidth as RG-6?

    I would guess Cat 5 didn't exist back then either?
     
  10. tcorning

    tcorning Member

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    If the unit has not been deactivated yet, you can disconnect the network cable so that it cannot connect to TiVo and be told about the deactivation. At this point you probably have enough Guide Data to make it through another 12 days which should cover getting the new unit installed. Of course you won't be able to use any network services like Netflix, but you'll be able to record.

    Ted
     
  11. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I sure wouldn't trust it, even if the cable signal isn't currently degraded. It might become degraded, and the MoCA as well, since 30-year old coax is poorly shielded, was (likely) never intended/rated for 1GHZ or higher frequencies, has itself degraded with age, and will possibly show it's age when you start running those higher frequency MoCA signals through it.

    I just got done eliminating the last of the 30 year old in-wall coax in use in my house. It was getting AC current into it because they ran it too close to live electrical wires (especially when in parallel runs), and I don't even use MoCA (in Cat5e/Cat6 I trust). Your coax is probably single-shield. The worst would be if it was RG59 (thinner), as opposed to RG6.

    You may want to check the official MoCA website, and see what they have to say about old/existing coax versus the dual/quad shielded and more highly rated coax of today's age.
     
  12. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    Can't use WiFi to stream shows from a TiVo DVR to a TiVo Mini.
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You can, it's just not supported and there are no guarantees it would maintain a good enough connection. However 802.11n should be OK for 1 stream. Although you'd need a WiFi bridge for the Mini, unless it's connected directly to the WiFi router/AP.
     
  14. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    Are you referring to my post? They definitely are NOT on my Premiere 4.. you still see the screen 'switch' to the old UI.
     
  15. MikeAndrews

    MikeAndrews Registered abuser

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    If the UI is SD only only on the settings menus it's not so bad, is it? How often do you change the settings?

    You need hi-res HD media screens so you can have graphics and more useful info on the screen. Not so much to choose setting options.
     
  16. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    If it takes more than 3 years to update, then yes it is that bad.

    Would it be that bad if the iPhone apps weren't all updated yet for the new screen size of the iPhone 5? That hasn't been out for 3 years yet.
     
  17. wco81

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    Can you only use the Tivo Wifi Bridge or any third party one?

    I have a Netgear or Linksys one that I'm using with a Direct TV DVR, which actually supports it by having a UI to configure the bridge (entering settings and passwords).

    Does the Mini have some UI to configure the bridge?
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    No I was referring to this one...

    Specifically the "Set up a manual recording" part. That was converted to HD in the last Premiere update.

    Find by time/channel are still SD.
     
  19. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You can use any bridge. They basically just convert Ethernet traffic to Wifi so as far as the Mini is concerned you're using Ethernet.

    However you have to use a PC to set it up. The Mini doesn't have a UI for setting it up even if you use the TiVo one.
     
  20. Icarus

    Icarus New Member

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    if you are using moca between a roamio and mini(s) then somebody else said you could use the wifi on the roamio to bridge moca to your internet connection.

    I think that's fine, you are using moca for streaming, wifi for guide updates, external streaming, etc (just not for streaming to the minis).

    -David
     

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