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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Aug 19, 2013.
I've had sound effects turned off on my TiVos since 2002.
It would be amusing if TiVo had a different set of sounds to use for a short period after sound effects were turned on after having been off for some extended period -- squeaky versions for instance.
TiVo's out-of-home streaming will be "like" Slingbox, in that it allows for out-of-home streaming -- but it's not actually Slingbox. You'd need the TiVo app, not the Slingbox one in order to use it. And the iOS app is getting this feature first, I've no idea when it will come to Android.
That being said, assuming TiVo works it so that the quality of the stream intelligently adapts to the speed of your connection, I'd say their implementation will be better than Slingboxes (at least, if you already have the compatible pieces in place.) Instead of transcoding the entire UI and playback on-the-fly, and giving you a "virtual remote control" like the Slingbox does, it will simply integrate out-of-home downloading and streaming to the existing (very well designed) TiVo app.
Slingbox is great in that it is very flexible, can be used with more hardware and platforms. But hopefully the control and integration of TiVo's stream (and the upcoming improvements) will be a little more elegant.
Question that I have been wondering when out of home streaming becomes available, how is this going to work to get in on a TV? I know they will go to iOS and later droid devices but at least with sling you can use the app on a connected media streamer. Do you think you could use a stream as a stand alone out of home streamer? Possible apps on roku or another streamer?
Rose4uKY - glad to hear they are working with you.
Rule of thumb for the future - CSRs (even TiVo) don't really know anything. Google is your friend (which would have led you to Zatz). We've known for some time (months) that a new tivo was coming, and even had a general idea of release date.
And bummer about not being able to afford lifetime. I, too am like you (on a grandfather monthly plan for one tivo). But even at that lower rate, i am losing money in the long run because I did not get Lifetime on my original TiVo HD boxes. I learned my lesson, and am going with lifetime on my roamio and mini, and will go lifetime from now on (especially for benefit of resale value).
People seem to forget every generation that we never get full transfer speed anyway. The transfers are limited by CPU bandwidth. Transfers max out at roughly 80mbps even on the XL4/P4 with gigabit.
Thanks for reporting back! And sorry for not noticing that you had actually mentioned your issue with the Integra in one of the posts I linked to.
I don't think Onkyo is entirely at fault. Other sources connected to it don't have this problem. The Xbox 360, for example, will happily go from playing a stereo MP3 to playing a 5.1 game to playing sound effects as you navigate the UI, all over Dolby Digital, with nary a click from the receiver. I suppose it has the DD encoding license that Dan203 thinks is too expensive for TiVo.
I think TiVos send garbage over the DD stream when a program ends, when you do trick play, etc. Other receivers may handle it better, maybe masking it with silence until they get a correctly-formed stream, possibly at the expense of a longer stretch with no audio. Onkyos apparently play whatever they're sent, speakers and eardrums be damned.
I don't know who's "at fault", but I think either party could fix it, and whoever does first gets my money. I guess I was hoping it would be TiVo so I would have no excuse to upgrade.
Ok, so it has 100 vs 1Gb, which is slower. BUT, my internet connection is only 50Mbs so 100 is still twice as much bandwidth than I have coming in...
Also, my Roku and AppleTV only have 100Mb and I have no stuttering on their streams. Seems that while Gb is cool it will only matter when Cable/Uverse have the ability to subscribe to Gb speeds and by then I will have upgraded anyway.
Also for in-house networks, my wife daily streams movies from our Mac mini (Gb) to the Roku and except for a two second delay at the start of the movie there are no stutters or pauses due to lack of bandwidth. So, I am fine with the 10/100 on the base (but the nerd in me wants the Gb).
So the Roamio base, Plus and Pro all use the same CPU?
I know this is TiVo, so anything's possible, but I guess I was thinking the transfers wouldn't be as limited on the gigabit models, that the CPU bandwidth would be increased as well. These devices will be streaming a lot more, and why else would they differentiate the ethernet if it wasn't noticeably better on the higher end models?
The gigabit comes in handy when you're NOT watching in real time as it streams... IE: you want to fast forward to halfway into the show... transporting/scrubbing in the timeline is faster via GB than it is with 10/100.
It's not a huge deal, but it's not unreasonable to put in Gb. It's not bleeding edge anymore. My computers and switches are all Gb, so I get faster transfers where the devices comply. I do push and pull shows from TiVos, and I do have a lot of other network traffic on my LAN. It just would be a nice thing to have.
That's what the TiVo Mini is for, at least in the home.
As far as out of home streaming, to another TV? My (jailbroken) iPad lets me watch the TiVo app on a TV, so I guess that's a workable kludge.
Weren't some people reporting they could not transfer lifetime to the Roamio?
The Elite already exceeds 100mb/s when maxing out it's streams. At least that was the case when I got my launch Elite. So I would expect the Roamio plus and pro to be able to exceed that when it also get up to a high number of streams.
Disable gigabit in software would make more sense. It's how IBM used to differentiate its mainframes back in the 70s. If you wanted a faster machine, just do a software change
A better question, has anyone reported that they could?
I didn't think that was at all possible.
Thanks for the response, I thought of some possible work arounds like iphone/ipad to apple TV but I would assume airplay would be disabled within the app. It would be nice to have a box that could do it for you. Doubtful but it would be sweet if you could use the mini as a out of home stand alone streamer for your roamio or p4/stream setup.
That's never been mentioned as an option, as far as I know. But folks are getting $100 Multi Service Discounts if they already have lifetimed TiVos.
Question about that -- once you take advantage of said discount to get another lifetimed TiVo, can you sell your older TiVo w/Lifetime? Or do you need to keep it on your account?
I understand an older TiVo with a lifetime subscription being more valuable when selling it than one without a lifetime, but I was burned many years ago when I bought lifetime subscriptions for two ReplayTVs. Not that TiVo will go out of business, but if they would, or get bought out, there's no guarantee the lifetime subs would be honored by whoever would buy them out.
Well, a contract is a contract, and I would think that anybody buying a company is buying all their assets and liabilities and obligations. But who knows, corporations have been known to find loopholes.