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Roamio S5 TiVo reviews and facts

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Rose4uKY

    Rose4uKY Member

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    I know we just bought the P4 a few weeks ago and went from a series 3 with only 20HD hours to 300HD 2TB and now we want to return and were going to have to get the the 150HD 1TB which is still better than our old series 3 but there's just two of us and I think 150 will be enough. I'm trying to call Tivo now and there not open yet.

     
  2. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Your numbers are reversed. It would be 17 - 22 = -5

    Ordered on Jul 17
    Received a few days later
    Activated on July 26
    Wanted to return it on August 22


    Hopefully the countdown begins when the package was delivered, or when the unit was activated (I doubt it) to earn more time here -- or hopefully the CSR makes a kind exception for Rose4uKY...

    Eager to hear how this one turns out!
     
  3. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Not sure where else I mentioned this already, but weaknees.com already has the internal 2TB upgraded Roamio, for $349:

    TiVo Roamio - 2TB Drive for up to 300 HD hours
    http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-roamio-series5.php
     
  4. ncbill

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    A CSR (supervisor or not) or engineer isn't going to know the law.

    The company remains legally bound to honor the warranty (assuming you didn't break anything when you upgraded the drive).

    The question becomes do you want to go through the hassle of enforcing the above, potentially via court?

    Given the amount involved, and the short initial warranty period most wouldn't bother.

    And so would do what you did, upgrading the drive immediately then testing the unit, returning it to the retailer during the return period if any problems are found.

     
  5. Fofer

    Fofer XenForo Rocks! TCF Club

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    Wow, that sucks, and TiVo should change their "comparative specs" grid on their website. Because right now it is blatant false advertising.

    For a device that will handle lots of streaming within the LAN, there will be a pretty big difference between 10/100 and gigabit.

    It also sucks that someone who deliberately chooses the base model for the possibility of OTA (HD antenna) compatibility, can't also have gigabit ethernet. Why, TiVo, why?!?!
     
  6. Machingon

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    Congrats! Since you're one of the first, could you tell us whether you can hear the sound effects over Dolby Digital?
     
  7. jcthorne

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    If you are on the menus, yes. If you are playing a show that is dd5.1, no. Its same as the premiere. The Tivo cannot encode anything to DD5.1 so if the sound track it is currently using is DD, the sound effects are not inserted.
     
  8. dswallow

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    From TiVo:

    If you cancel within 30 days of activation (which is typically the date your order ships), you will receive a full refund if you return the TiVo box and accessory, if applicable, within 15 days of cancellation.


    So it seems to technically hinge on whether it arrived activated or it really required an activation step when it was set up. Though it seems rather disingenuous to include days when the unit isn't even in your possession as a part of the countdown period for their money-back guarantee.
     
  9. aindik

    aindik Well-Known Member

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    Why couldn't they just put OTA in all three models?
     
  10. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    OK... This is a tuner issue, there is only a chip currently on the market that can handle 4 OTA tuners.

    In the P2 models, the units had 4 tuners, 2 were dedicated to cable and 2 were dedicated to OTA. Nothing has changed - this is also why you need to choose between Cable or OTA.

    They technically could do it, but it would basically be like putting two separate units into one box. That translate to cost.

    I am sure somebody will "correct" my technical terminolgy little, but this is the reason we have what we have.
     
  11. DaveDFW

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    Isn't Tivo's future focus really centered on creating hardware for resale to their cable partners? These cable operators have no interest in OTA capability, therefore that feature was not included in the Plus and Pro.

    The use of 10/100 ethernet in the base Roamio is a little more puzzling. Gigabit ethernet on a chip is so ubiquitous Tivo probably had to pay a premium to source one that only does 10/100. :)
     
  12. Fofer

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    I *think* because, this is TiVo, and one of TiVo's initiatives in their Mission Statement is, finding new and surprising ways to disappoint us. :-/
     
  13. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Not the reason

    Very constructive

    As I said: This is a tuner and cost issue.

    In the P2 models, the units had 4 tuners, 2 were dedicated to cable and 2 were dedicated to OTA. Nothing has changed - this is also why you need to choose between Cable or OTA in the base unit.

    They technically could do it, but it would basically be like putting two separate units into one box. That translate to cost.

    I am sure somebody will "correct" my technical terminolgy little, but this is the reason we have what we have.
     
  14. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    I was thinking the same thing. It must have made sense at one point in the development cycle.
     
  15. Keen

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    It's your receiver. Last time I bought a receiver, the thing had short silences after trickplay. I upgraded to the next higher-line of receiver from the same manufacturer, and the silences went away.
     
  16. Machingon

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    Thanks for confirming that. I would ask you to please check whether when set to "Dolby Digital to PCM" in the settings it passes more than just the left and right channels, but I don't know if you would even be able to tell (and I don't want to be a complete PITA) :)

    The truth is I'm not interested in the sound effects per se. I have a newish Onkyo receiver and a TiVo HD that when set to Dolby Digital will often generate awful noises (as also detailed in the TiVo HD FAQ). The same problem happens with the Premiere, and based on your findings, probably with the Roamio as well. TiVo's solution, as I mentioned before, is to change the setting from "Dolby Digital" to "Dolby Digital to PCM", but at least in the Series 3 hardware, this means forgoing true surround as it passes only two channels to the receiver.

    The TiVo sounds is just my shorthand way of telling whether TiVo has changed how they handle this, as I assume most people don't have this problem and therefore can't test for it directly. But if any owners have their Roamio hooked up to an Onkyo, we'd love to hear from you!
     
  17. Kolenka

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    It is still cheaper to make a 10/100 switch than it is to make a Gigabit switch. The BOM costs are still noticeably different because of chip yields. If I assume that the surface area of a 10/100 chipset is smaller, then I can get more chips per wafer than I can for the 10/100/1000 chipset. So I get more for the same material cost, and I waste less material on defects in the wafer, helping push yield %s higher as well. All that translates into a cheaper cost. The only time that doesn't really work is when the ethernet is part of the SoC.

    I can get Netgear's "Pro" 10/100 switch for less than their consumer 10/100/1000 switch at retail.
     
  18. sbiller

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    TiVo is focused on software and services. Some of their cable partners are already starting to shift away from TiVo provided hardware to hardware provided by Pace running TiVo software. All of TiVo's international deployments are running TiVo software on Cisco/Samsung/Pace boxes. The Roamio boxes clearly leapfrog most of the MSO boxes running TiVo software so I'm guessing that the MSO Version of the Roamio (T6) will sell very well to TiVo's MSO partners. The Pace XG1 has the advantage of being a double-play box (included DOCSIS modem) and lower cost over the 6-Tuner Roamio Plus.
     
  19. jcthorne

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    There are only 2 audio choices on Roamio. Dolby Digital and PCM. There is no "Dolby to PCM"

    PCM is stereo audio only.

    Interestingly, I had the same trouble with my Onkyo Integra receiver. I ended up replacing it with a mid range Yamaha and outboard amplifiers. The Yamaha does not have the audio glitches with the varying audio stream. The problem is in your receiver. Its decoder is out of date and no easy way to upgrade it without replacing the entire unit.

    As far as I can tell, the audio programming on the Roamio works exactly like that on the Premiere at them moment.
     
  20. Rose4uKY

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    Ok so Tivo is letting me return the P4. She is sending me info in email on how to return and I have 15 days to return and should get the new Romio within 6 business days. We weren't sure what to do though for a couple of reasons one we don't have ipads or anything IOS we have Android phones and tablets. But we did want the latest Tivo box out there and I was told nothing would be out before the 1st of the year and the Romio has the built in streamer and 6 tuners but were losing 300HD/2000 hours to 150HD/1200 hours but I think will be fine with that. I record a lot of primetime shows in the fall so now we really won't have to worry about stuff not recording plus I do still have my one Lifetime S3 hooked up here cause I had shows on it to watch.

    Problem is when I bought the P4 there was a promotion going on and since I had LT on my LR Tivo and got the multi discount on the bedroom ay 6.95 I was able to keep that on the P4. But now with the new box it's going to be 14.99 plus we got 2 minis at 5.99 a piece. Can't really afford LT right now so we had to think for a minute is it worth it but we wanted the newest Tivo and decided to go ahead and do it.

    So now she had to deactivate the P4 but she said there is usually a 3 day grace period so can we not record at all not even manually? And our new Romio will be here within 6 business days and we have 15 to return the P4. We don't want to return P4 till new one gets here. And abolut Slingbox she said it's a feature coming soon so it's not on there yet? And with Slingbox will I be able to watch my shows at work on my android tablet with the Slingbox app? I can transfer shows now and convert them I think for my tablet if I wanted to but Slingbox seems much easier.

    Anyway thanks and I am glad it worked out for me and now I want to hear more about this new device and how people like it. Can't really compare it to P4 for me cause only had P4 for a few weeks but I am sure will like it better and 150 HD house should be enough for us.
     

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