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Roamio Pro - The Good, the Bad & the Unkown?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by danthefan, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. danthefan

    danthefan New Member

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    So I'm on the fence on buying the Roamio Pro. There are a lot of things to like, but quite a few things I'm disappointed aren't yet available. Here's my list of good, bad and unknown. Please add to it as you see fit.

    The Good
    • New hardware should be much faster
    • 6 tuners
    • Updated interface
    • Built-in streaming capability
    • Built-in Wi-Fi support (which I don't use)

    The Bad?
    • Streaming not available, yet
    • Android streaming support not available, yet
    • Windows PC streaming support not available, and no signs of it in the future
    • $600 (ouch) + $400 lifetime service (ouch) = $1000 (double ouch)
    • No THX certification?

    The Unknown?
    • Will 6 channel support work with Time Warner tuning adapter in Raleigh, NC? It's unclear how many channels the tuning adapters support.
    • Will streaming be supported for Time Warner cable channels? Currently with my Premiere I can only download over-the-air channels to the TiVo Desktop. The other channels are copyright protected.
    • No Sirius XM streaming capability? (this would be a really nice addition)

    What am I missing from these lists?

    I'm also disappointed that TiVo won't offer better pricing for long time TiVo customers or the ability to transfer lifetime service. I've been a customer since the first 14 and 30 hour TiVo Series 1. I still own 4 TiVos, including 3 Series 2s and 1 Premiere. I know they've got to make money, but it's still disappointing.

    Regards, Daniel
     
  2. celtic pride

    celtic pride Member

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    I wish tivo would at least reduce the price of lifetime service everytime you upgrade to a new tivo to $199.00 or less. $399.00 is too high for me therefore i wont be able to get the new roamio, which means i either keep mt premiere 2 tuner dvrs or switch to directv and get the 5 tuner genie.
     
  3. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Where do they make their money then? Historically, they lose money on every hardware sale except the highest end machine (average loss historically has been in the 30-40% range). They make up their lost money on the service.
     
  4. rogmatic

    rogmatic New Member

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    Although I normally think chasing volume over margins is a bad strategy, Tivo would probably benefit by driving up sales to reduce the public's dependence on cable boxes.
     
  5. trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

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    How much will the 5 tuner genie save you over 3 years compared to buying a Roamio?
     
  6. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Nothing can change with regards to this as the cable company sets the restrictions. Streaming will work of course and downloads or MRV will be disabled for most channels on TWC.
     
  7. NYHeel

    NYHeel Active Member

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    I don't know about the Roamio line, but supposedly, they had gotten their subsidies way down on the Premiere line. I believe it was at the point that the Premiere 4 and XL4 were not actually subsidized.
     
  8. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    Yes, absolutely. This last year (2013 fiscal year) was the lowest subsidy that I remember since they started to build their own hardware. But it was still almost 20% when averaged over all their units. I expect that number to go up for a year or two with the new hardware line.
     
  9. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    • Streaming is really broad- I suggest that you explain this a bit better for your readers. I *assume* you mean outside of the wifi environment, but someone coming in clean to this may completely misunderstand what you are saying.
     
  10. josborne

    josborne New Member

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    Anyone with TWC knows they lock down pretty much all shows so when the TIVO Streamer came out the only thing it could do in my household is just that, streaming to an iPhone or iPad. The killer feature that most would want it for is the ability to take content on the go which TWC doesn't allow because of it's copy protection. I am curious if you will be able to stream TWC copy protected shows outside the home....that would be interesting, but still not as conveniant as being able to put the content on your portable device.
     
  11. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    They don't lock down broadcast shows. I mean, i'm not discounting your complaint, but roughly 60% of what I watch is broadcast.
     
  12. zgamer

    zgamer New Member

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    That was the nice thing about analog cable, portability.

    The trick with going OTA + online content is finding the content you want. Outside of live sports most content is available online these days...just with Roamio would allow us to access it natively.
     
  13. randywalters

    randywalters AVS Old Timer

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    No Antenna tuner. Completely kills any chance of me buying one.
     
  14. bayern_fan

    bayern_fan New Member

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    The Good: Built-in MoCa
     
  15. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    That is what the base unit is for... 4 tuners, no waiting!
     
  16. Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

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    If the FCC didn't have a mandate that broadcast programs have to be free of copy protection, TWC would lock those too. They are the worst copy-protection abusers.
     
  17. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    On the main TiVo page it says "from the backyard.to the car. to 3500 feet away" which you can watch your recording.

    That wireless card inside must be a little beast, .66 miles is huge for wifi. :D
     
  18. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci Viva La Tivo!

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    The bad: No HDMI-CEC support.
     
  19. randywalters

    randywalters AVS Old Timer

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    Well they screwed that up too - unlike my S3 the Roamio only only has one RF input and it's tuner is unable to simultaneously tune both my antenna channels AND my cable channels like i do seamlessly with my S3. I use both sources equally every day. Man this is such a letdown.
     
  20. bucm4sko24wle2mi

    bucm4sko24wle2mi New Member

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    True, but I respectfully submit that asking price is still steep, IMHO.
     

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