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Roamio owner initial feedback

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by HenryFarpolo, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    Not normal at all... I haven't seen that since my DirecTiVo days. On Fios, I've unchecked most of my SD, and they've never reappeared.

    Do you get a lot of messages about your lineup having changed?
     
  2. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Exactly. The only time I see an SD channel reappear is when they change the lineup and move channels. This will make them look "new" and reappear.
     
  3. wmhjr

    wmhjr Well-Known Member

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    Is that your blog? Because if it is, you have at least one major false statement there. Having in the past been on a cable board for 10 years, I can tell you first hand - and by federal law, that there is not such thing as an exclusive, noncompetitive agreement/contractor with a cable provider - period. That is one of the biggest fallacies that continues to be spread - though I see it being claimed less and less as time goes on.

    If there is only one franchise agreement in your area, it is simply because in your area, no other provider has seen the financial benefit in rolling out and supporting their infrastructure in your area. Just like in any other service, the incumbent has an advantage in one area in that they have already made the initial investment (cable plant, etc) to deliver services. Sat/DBS needs no such infrastructure - and as you know - they already compete in your market without a franchise agreement. Any new provider would need to find sufficient profits in what they felt they could take away from the existing offerings - minus any people who might just "cut the cord" and compare that to their initial investment and then ongoing expense. By federal law, franchise authorities are explicitly prohibited from creating exclusive agreements - period. This was first stipulated even before the telecommunications act of 1996.
     
  4. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    I may have to eat my words, because I just now found a lot of incorrectly selected and deselected channels on my Roamio. However, since it's a new unit, I'm not completely sure that I ever finished setting them up correctly in the first place. But I have now. I'll have to keep an eye on it.
     
  5. JimPa

    JimPa S3 owner/user

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    I find this very interesting in that our small town granted a renewal to a franchise agreement with Brighthouse a few years back.

    As you said, in small towns it's hard to make enough money for another cable provider to enter the market.
     
  6. tivogurl

    tivogurl New Member

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    Easily evaded by writing an agreement only one provider can or would want to sign. Frequently seen in government contracting. I also happen to believe that there's a gentleman's agreement between the cablecos not to expand into each other's territory. FIOS does well competing with BrightHouse in Tampa, why not expand to compete with them in Orlando?
     
  7. tre74

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    Roamio base vs. Premiere base. I purchased a Premiere in the spring of 2010. I had recently cut the cord and was looking for a DVR that could record OTA. I was used to a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD. The Premiere was a delight in comparison. That being said, it was not without problems. It was a wonderful DVR that needed more tuners. It was also a streaming device with horrible streaming apps. Netflix was clunky and failed at times. Hulu Plus was clunky and failed at times. Amazon app was a disgrace to any platform and should be a model for "Don't let this app happen to you" for developers. The SD menus were dated and just plain ugly. The HD menus were slow. I'm going on my first week with the Roamio. Having four tuners for OTA recording is a joy, though some have complained about it not having separate cable and antenna inputs. It would have been nice, but I actually never used both of them at the same time. No built in Stream? That should have been in every box, but I did purchase one for the Premiere some time ago. I would have liked gigabit connection, but there is discussion in another thread that the gigabit connection on the Plus and Pro do not result in gigabit speeds. I'll leave that one to the experts. I do know that the Roamio tranfers shows to TiVo Desktop more quickly than the Premiere. I love the 1080p upscaling feature. The Netflix app has worked very well and I am pleased to see Dolby Digital Plus support. 1080p/24fps playback is steady. The Hulu Plus app is still not my favorite and still seems a bit glitchy. The remote control unit is improved. RF for the win! I do still like the logo on the Premiere remote control unit more than the one on the Roamio. The Roamio box is retro cool and looks like a 1950's radio. Streaming from the Premiere list of shows works beautifully. Can someone explain to me why streaming from TiVo Desktop rather than transferring is not possible to do. Or, am I missing something?Unfortunately, there are things I do not like about the Roamio experience. No cables in the box? Seriously, no cables of any kind in the damn box! MP3 only music streaming support? Am I wrong on this one? Still no PIP? Leftover SD menus? Seriously, leftover damn SD menus! Everybody should feel ashamed of themselves for this one. Amazon Instant app. Seriously, the damn Amazon Instant app! Disgusting! It is now 2013. TiVo wants to stay alive and flaunts a box that does it all and then proceeds to cripple the Roamio with the Amazon app from hell that still does not support Prime. I really like the TiVo Roamio. I am also very disappointed that the features most discussed about in the Premiere still are not fixed on the brand new box. I sincerely hope the out of network streaming feature comes sooner than later. Perhaps TiVo should have kept its mouth shut and launched the feature as a surprise. Anyhoo, the improvements from the Premiere are nice, but there really is no excuse for not fixing everything. Those issues should have been the first priority. Now, the improvements are being overshadowed by the rotting leftovers. TiVo is not a cheap experience. Offering a first class DVR in this new age is not enough. People want to stream and more and more of them want to be able to move media to their devices. I enjoyed my Premiere for the last three years. I'm sure I'll enjoy the Roamio for another three, but I expect the next box to have all HD menus, to have built in Stream on all models, to have gigabit connection on all models, support wireless ac, support more streaming codecs and have Amazon Prime in a flashy new app! If you made through all of this crap, I owe you a beer.
     
  8. tre74

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    Oh, and HDMI-CEC? Where is it?
     
  9. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    tre74,

    A beer sounds good :D!

    I am also OTA and find the Roamio a nice upgrade from my Premiere or Series 3 units. Could care less about streaming apps (have 1/2 dozen other devices that can stream pretty much anything if I want too), but did find the Dial/Android/YouTube thing interesting. What I do like is being able to sub to various pod casts and have them auto download.
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    What would wireless ac get you when you are only getting up to 200mbps over a wired connection? Wireless N can easily exceed those speeds. Although I'm not sure what speeds you get from the Roamio wireless connection since I never tested it.
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Tre74 - buddy....

    Put some paragraph breaks in in your post to make it easier to read!

    I think I need a beer!!!!!
     
  12. tre74

    tre74 Member

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    Sorry, got carried away and then was too lazy to go back and edit it. Chilling beers now. :D
     
  13. HenryFarpolo

    HenryFarpolo New Member

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    I made it through the first two lines. How many beers does that get me?
     
  14. rocket777

    rocket777 New Member

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    I'm relatively new to tivo; I have a tivo hd and now a roamio.

    The good:

    Overall, I like it, quite an improvement over the tivo hd. It's a lot faster, and I can now download at 68Mbps vs. the 10 I got with the hd.

    Picture quality is superb. The HD menus are nice.

    The remote is much nicer, and the most important button, the advance, is slightly bigger and so my thumb doesn't get sore like it did with the hd. It also skips much faster - as the button presses are much more responsive. I don't feel the need for my programmable remote with the 4x,5x, and 6x 30-sec skips on 3 programmable keys.

    The ok, but needs improvement:

    The picture in picture is nice, and a good start, though not complete. The zoom only seems to work if I'm on tivo central. If I go deeper, say into settings, it doesn't return to the last thing I was watching.

    The back key seems to be mostly just the left key. It doesn't seem to be a generalized pop off the stack backspace like in a browser.

    The checkmark on the shows to be recorded in the guide is nice. However, my previous direct tv dvr did this one better:

    1st click record on the guide, set to record once,
    2nd click is a season pass,
    3rd click cancels season pass and one off recording, i.e. back to where you started.

    If it's a one-off, like a movie, then the second click would just cancel. If you want to do what exists now, simply go in with select to setup additional options. As it stands now, record or select on a guide item do the same exact thing. So, nothing would be lost to let record mean record with no confirmation. Now, to cancel a recording in the guide, takes quite a few steps.

    The stuff I still don't like:

    The biggest problem I have is with the timeout and go live spoiler. My other dvr would timeout to a screen saver. The next click returns you to where you were, and it had a true "re-zoom" key, from any page anywhere it would return to what you were last watching.

    You could never accidentally go live. I find I still must go to some recorded show, start playing and click pause before I turn off the tv. Otherwise, I could turn on the tv and be live on a sports event that I was going to watch 2 hours delayed only to have it spoiled.

    I'm glad to see the mlb app has a spoiler setting to avoid seeing scores. I'm planning on subscribing to that rather than pay $80 a month to direct tv just to see baseball next year.

    I don't like the "hold down" advance to go to the end, or live. I'd prefer it to just repeat the skips. I like the advance to next mark, but would prefer these to always be 15 minutes regardless of show length. Actually, I'd prefer this to be skip 15 minutes, not just to a marker. Then I could easily skip halftime of football or basketball.

    And I'd like to see a faster fast forward, my old dvr had 2x, 15x, 60x, and 300x. The latter was especially nice since I could watch the little score graphic in baseball and go to where there were men on base quickly and watch only the best parts of a game.

    Final thoughts:

    It might seem like I'm complaining, but overall I think this box is good enough that I'm now getting ready to dump my direct tv. Now that there's digital tv in my area (L.A.) I can get nearly 100 OTA channels with a small figure 8 outdoor antenna. The reception from this baby is perfect.

    The only problem I have is that my microwave messes up channels 7, 9, 11, and 13, which still broadcast in VHF. My tv tuner also had this problem. All the others use the UHF band and there's no problem there. It's probably time to get a new oven.

    It also plays nice with my tivo hd, sharing etc. My main computer works well as a server using streambaby. However, sometimes the audio is a bit out of sync on the roamio, and so I still end up viewing some things using the VLC media player on my win7 system on the same tv. That program has an audio delay or advance by 100ms increments that I use when a video isn't synced fully. Would be a nice feature on tivo - say with 2 of the new 4 color keys during playback.
     
  15. JimPa

    JimPa S3 owner/user

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    Nice review.

    I'm a bit concerned about the microwave leakage. Dude....that's dangerous as can be. Don't take those kinds of chances with your health.
     
  16. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I don't think it is all that dangerous in levels that could start to interfere with electronics. However, it would make sense to replace such a defective microwave oven.
     
  17. Bphagan

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    Rocket,
    I found out in another thread the back key is mainly for HTML5 apps.
    If you use the YouTube app, the Back and Left have different functions.

    I also agree with the Skip buttons.
    There needs to be more options for configuration. Everyone has different usage for these buttons.
    On Dish DVR, when watching a recorded Golf event, I would use the (slowest)FF between shots, especially near the end of a broadcast where there are few golfers left on the course with lots of filler, and when I see a commercial during FF, I would press the skip button 4 times to skip the commercials quicker.
    Imagine the first time I did this on the Tivo and my playback jumped forward 2 hours.
    I had to retrain myself not to do that. ;)

    I rarely find a use for the skip to tick except for sports that I only want to watch the end.
    I would prefer to have the option to set it to drop out of FF and skip forward or skip backward instead of jumping to tick.

    More options for the skip buttons would be nice.

    bdog
     
  18. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    On other TiVo remotes the Zoom button functions as the back button. Or even with older remotes, the button in the same position functions as the back button in the apps.
     
  19. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    That's actually what the skip button is for on the TiVo, too. :) The "skip to tick" function is sort of a decoy placeholder. Really, you were supposed to enter the backdoor code, Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select, after which the button would work as originally intended, before TiVo tried to appease commercial-pushers.

    Now this function has increasingly come out of hiding over the years. I thought that 30-second-slip (not skip, but you can still switch to that mode) was now the default behavior for this button on new TiVo models?
     
  20. Bphagan

    Bphagan brettdog

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    wmcbrine,
    I wasn't clear, on the Dish I would use the slower FF between shots. But sometimes while FFing, they go to commercial break. I would just press the Skip forward button while the FF was still going and the Dish DVR would jump 2 minutes and fall back into Play mode.
    On Tivo when I did this, it jumped 4 ticks.
    It caught me off guard the first few times.
    Now when the commercial comes on during FF, I have to press play then skip 4 times.

    I keep saying skip but it is actually a 30 second scan. I prefer scan, but every once in a while the Tivo gets confused and jumps tick marks instead of 30 second jumps.
    Scan is he default.
     

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