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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by HenryFarpolo, Aug 20, 2013.
I thought 2.5 to 3 seconds was the speed of the Premiere?
I don't know, haven't timed it lately and don't recall specifically. I never watch live TV, so it is very rare I actually "tune" a channel by hand. I can say that it will vary depending on if it is SDV or not and if the TiVo is busy or not. 3 seems about right from what little I recall. Others can add their observed data points.
4 seconds was what he timed when he did is TiVo vs Media Center comparison so it might have improved with later updates.
Appears to be the same, bottom of my list is 1080p (24fps only).
Interesting. I *KNOW* I saw 1080P/24/30/60 in print on a web site listing/describing specs of the Roamio. But I don't recall where or if it was authoritative or in reference to what (TV connection, streaming, Netflix, etc)
By only having 1080p24 pass through that is the thng that causes issues with netflix when it switches resolutions instead of scaling it to 1080P like other Netflix streaming devices do.
This is rather shocking if they still only have 1080P24 pass through. If it was 2008 i could see but not in 2013.
Please say it isn't so. I've turned off 1080p24 on my Premiere and Netflix still blinks out all of the time. It drives me nuts. So nuts in fact, that if they don't fix this, I don't think I'll upgrade. I use Netflix all the time and 10-20 blink outs in a 30 minute program is ridiculous.
I don't know. Troy J B didn't say whether it showed 1080P24 as pass through. It could scale it to 1080p24? Although that would be unusual..
I'm not liking the remote so far. Had tivo's for over a decade and now they switch things around. Can't get used to the Guide and Mute moves.
Three tivo remotes currently being used and this is the odd man out.
you wouldn't want that.
Surprised but not surprised that 1080p60 is missing. The Virgin box supported 1080p60 but they did not enable it(or unless they did very recently).
Ben from Engadget indicated last night that the box has an option to scale all content to 1080p60.
Sorry, I only have a 1080i display
Between the 1080p & 1080p (24fps only) is a horizontal line.
The help says "If your TV supports 1080p (24fps): Note that TiVo box may not be able to upscale video to 1080p at this format, but it can pass 1080p video at 24 frames per seconds to the TV without downscaling it."
So there is two 1080p options, 1080p and 1080p24? This would indicate it may scale to 1080p60 then.
So far, I'll echo what others have said. This is what the premiers should have been.
Ben didn't recall seeing that annoying hdmi blackout when the resolution switches. He wasn't aware of the specific issue we were all having with our Premiere boxes.
Troy J B has indicated that there is two 1080p options, 1080p and 1080p24. He has a 1080i only display and the two are greyed out.
I just realized one thing TiVo could have done with the Roamio. They should have went with Tru2Way and this would have eliminated the need for the tuning adapter assuming the cable headend is Tru2Way compliant. I know that all Comcast headends are Tru2Way compliant and even Comcast VOD and PPV would work with out the need for an Ethernet connection.
TiVo would have to go through Cable Labs certification again and also added an internal OOB (Out of Band) tuner. This might add a little more cost to the box though. All cablecards are two way capable, even the old single stream cards. This would have also helped with copy protection as the box can talk back to the head end to the get copy protection key generated by the TiVo when copy protection is turned on by the operator.
With the TiVo in 1080p60 output it would not need a new handshake every time you change to a channel with a different resolution. The blackout is caused by the box needing to make a new HDMI handshake with the display with every resolution change.
My cable companies Pace RNG200 had 1080p60 output and it did a nice job scaling everything to 1080p60. It was just as good as the scaling my Kuros would do. For some stupid reason Pace took away the 1080p60 ability in a firmware update and I had to have a default resolution selected, like 480i, so I could get both the HD resolutions up scaled to 1080p60 in the Pace.
I wonder how well the 1080p60 scaling capabilities of the Roamio work compared to the Kuros.
Haven't been enable to get MRS working from my Elite yet due to a "network" issue even though they are on the same wired Ethernet network.
The Premieres are on par with the Motorola DCX 3400 as they are from the same time period. They should have done Tru2Way in the Premieres.
It looks like the Roamios are on par with the Pace RNG200 but the Roamios lack Tru2Way also. Maybe in the Series 6 TiVos.
That was the idea behind Tru2way, but it never worked out. There is no interoperability between present Tru2way implementations between any two different manufacturers, and there are at present no third-party Tru2way devices being made, AFAIK.
In addition, Tru2way protocol implies the content provider provides the interface to their data. Thus even if TiVo did implement a Comcast specific Tru2way device, they would have to use Comcast's interface to Comcast's data, not their own. You're really in favor of that???