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Roamio + Mini MoCA or Gigabit

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by shortcut3d, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. Sep 5, 2013 #1 of 24
    shortcut3d

    shortcut3d New Member

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    First post. I have decided to change my DVR setup from Windows Media Center (32TB media hub with iSCSI, 6 network tuners, etc.) because of the failed Ceton Echo extender project. I will keep the HTPC for media using XBMC and remove WMC DVR duties. As such, I have a really solid network infrastructure on both Ethernet and Coaxial.

    Which is the better solution between the Roamio Plus and Mini? MoCA or Ethernet?

    Would MoCA require additional hardware?

    I believe removing network traffic from the LAN is always beneficial, but if MoCA has negative side effects on user experience, then Ethernet would be preferred.
     
  2. Sep 5, 2013 #2 of 24
    mdscott

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    MoCA additional hardware -- no

    I have not had long-term experience with MoCA - just recently used it to replace a wireless link which was slowing program transfers. But I have found no downside so far.

    michael
     
  3. Sep 5, 2013 #3 of 24
    jmpage2

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    There is no user experience degradation by using MoCA, so I would definitely recommend it, if for no other reason than to offload TiVo stream activities from the wired LAN infrastructure.

    Like you are proposing, I have a large NAS that streams media to XBMC/Boxee and use the TiVo + Minis for all DVR type activities. I suspect you will find it quite enjoyable.
     
  4. Sep 5, 2013 #4 of 24
    shortcut3d

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    Thanks for the reply. It looks like I will setup MoCA. It was also allow me to remove a switch.

    If my understanding is correct, I can use WiFi on the Roamio Plus for guide data and the Mini will get its guide data through the Roamio MoCA connection which is bridged over WiFi? Or at some point do I need a MoCA bridge to my router?

    Yep, my media is stored on a Synology DS1813+. I thought about PyTivo on the NAS, but the richness of XBMC interface can't be matched.
     
  5. Sep 5, 2013 #5 of 24
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Ethernet is technically faster, but moca is more than fast enough to handle it too.

    As long as your Roamio Plus is connected via ethernet, the Mini won't need any additional hardware for moca. I don't think the integrated wifi will work for the video streaming.
     
  6. Sep 5, 2013 #6 of 24
    shortcut3d

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    Would I also have to change my splitters?

    I have a 4-way MoCA enabling splitter (2-2150MHz) and a MoCA POE filter.
     
  7. Sep 5, 2013 #7 of 24
    BigJimOutlaw

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    That should be fine.

    The process is pretty easy. With the Roamio Plus connected by ethernet, you just select "Use this DVR to create a MoCA Network" in the network settings, and that should be all you need to get the Mini going.
     
  8. Sep 5, 2013 #8 of 24
    jmpage2

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    I haven't tested with Wi-Fi on the host TiVo but I imagine it works. Certainly it would be preferable to run wired Ethernet to the TiVo, as it will make other things faster such as transfer of shows to your Synology for archiving, etc.
     
  9. Sep 5, 2013 #9 of 24
    scole250

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    I've not implement MoCA yet, but I'm trying to keep up with anything I need to know in case I do. Do you at least need to install a POE filter? Also, is there any issue if amps are used or issues if the coax is split at multiple points.
     
  10. monkeydust

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    I have gigabit hardwired throughout the house. The only time I wish I had MoCA on my mini is when I have some BitTorrent transferring going on. That always kills my network. Caused my Netflix streaming to my Mini to have to rebuffer a couple of times so I just closed my BitTorrent client while I was watching the movie. I don't do this very often so that is why I haven't tried switching to MoCA yet.
     
  11. jmpage2

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    POE filter is recommended yes, at the location where the cable enters the residence. In some cases cable modems already have a POE filter and this suffice.

    I am actually not running one but will break down and do it at sometime. For me, I don't have any interference issues that I'm aware of due to using MoCA but it's a security thing about not wanting my neighbors to get onto my network.
     
  12. scole250

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    I'd think it's your internet download bandwidth limit. Not a bottleneck on a gigabit lan.
     
  13. monkeydust

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    This is my typical speed test...
    Down: 27.94 Mb/s
    Up: 2.27 Mb/s
    Ping: 39 ms

    I probably need to somehow limit how much bandwidth my torrents take as they gobble up as much as they can.
     
  14. BigJimOutlaw

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    A POE filter is recommended but not mandatory. The potential risks are moca signals interfering with neighbor services or neighbors accessing your network. It also supposedly helps keep your signal strong.

    With splitters, they need to be able to pass-through *at least* 1000MHz (1GHz).

    Amps should really be placed at the point of entry to avoid any issues. But if that's impossible for some reason, the amp needs to be able to pass through at least 1000MHz 2-way as well if there is a moca device down that coax leg.
     
  15. scole250

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    See if your broadband router has QoS settings and limit the BitTorrent traffic.
     
  16. swerver

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    Just got my roamio plus and mini. Roamio is set up, cable card paired and all, but I don't see how to activate the moca network. I don't see the setting you mention here... what am I doing wrong? Is there another way to do this? I didn't see anything about moca during guided setup, maybe I missed it.

    edit: maybe this is my problem, I'll wait until tomorrow and see what happens - http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=508653
     
  17. Icarus

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    settings/network/change network settings.

    guided setup just used whatever internet connection it had at the time.

    -David
     
  18. swerver

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    Cool that option appeared after a little bit, thanks. Really liking the mini so far - but they still need to add on demand and access to pytivo shares, if they wanna claim one box. And hd audio support! :D
     
  19. jmpage2

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    What good will HD audio support do you when there is no HD audio content available from cable providers?

    On Demand already works, at least with Comcast.
     
  20. swerver

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    For pyTivo'ing blu-ray rips to the tivo. h.264 video is transferred without transcoding, but not the audio.

    I don't see the xfinity option yet, but I just got the mini yesterday, maybe it will pop up today.
    edit: yup xfinity is there now thanks
     

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