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Roamio is so over-priced (pushing ads is too much)

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by rgat, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    I'm not saying I like them, but the "popup" ads on pause have been there for a long time as well. My Premiere has them as does my THD. Nothing new, though your OP seems to claim that they are and you now indicate that you did know about them.
     
  2. humbb

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    If you use the S-P-S-Pause-S "fast disappear" backdoor, you'll barely notice the ads on pause. The only ads I am consciously aware of are the ones on the Tivo Central page.
     
  3. whitmans77

    whitmans77 New Member

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    I barely notice the ads.I really notice ads when I am over at a friends house and im forced to watch those dreaded things called commercials that some people sit through. Living with 3 Tivos and a cable company DVR, thr price for a Roamio is well worth it
     
  4. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Technically true, but pretty much any new subscriber can get lifetime for $399 by just using the code "PLSR".
     
  5. poppagene

    poppagene User

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    It's all about what you're willing to pay for. If TiVo is charging too much, then you wouldn't be subscribing to it because it is too expensive. Like you, I wish it were cheaper, but by definition, if it's over-priced relative to one's "demand", then one wouldn't purchase it.
     
  6. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

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    The Roamio or Roamio + Mini option is providing a whole home DVR solution at a cost that in most cases is lower than anything TiVo has offered in the past, if you compare it on a per tuner and/or multiple TV bases.

    As an example my TiVo HD with lifetime cost $500 about the same for dual tuner Premiere, so to get to 4 tuners for 2 TVs that was $1000, plus renting 2 cable cards if you have cable. Now you can buy a 4 tuner Roamio for under $600 with lifetime and a Mini for $250 or $850 and only need to rent one cable card. Which is $150 less, plus the cost of one cable card.

    For a 3 TV 6 tuner house hold 3 TiVo HDs/Premieres with lifetime would have cost $1500. Now you can buy a 6 tuner Roamio with lifetime for under $800 plus $500 for 2 minis or again $200 less and you will need to rent 2 less cable cards per month.

    If you want to go back further my single tuner Humax Series 2 with lifetime cost $300. So $1200 to get 4 tuners or $1800 to get six tuners.

    The reality is TiVos have never been cheap. If someone thinks they cost too much no problem don't buy one.
     
  7. Grakthis

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    I paid about $800 just for the S3 box at retail. It took two cable cards and had like a 250GB HD (not sure the actual size, cause I long since upgraded it). It came with a monthly fee I paid for 7 years.

    I paid about $850 for a Roamio (6 tuners, 1 CC), 1 mini and lifetimes for both.

    Don't tell me TiVo is charging too much in 2014 for their boxes/service.
     
  8. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Last November I bought:

    Roamio Plus for $339+$399 lifetime w/PLSR=$738
    2 Minis @$86+$150 lifetime=$472

    Total TiVo cost=$1,210


    Time Warner was charging me $8.99/month for the first cable box, $10.95 for the second, and $30.94 for their whole home DVR.

    Total TWC cost=$50.88/month

    TWC does charge a $2.50/month fee for a CableCard, but if I were renting their equipment I would have to pay service tax on $50.88, so that is basically a wash.


    $1,210/$50.88=23.78 months until break even.


    Conclusion: It's not cheap, but my Roamio Plus and 2 Minis pay for themselves in just under 2 years. That seems like a pretty good return on investment to me. Not to mention the TiVo equipment is much higher quality and works better than my old TWC equipment ever did. I'm happy with my choice and don't really consider it to be "overpriced" given the alternative.
     
  9. Tico

    Tico Bear Down Cats!!!!!

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    I will gladly deal with ads so I don;t have to use a cable co DVR!

    Plus the ads pop up normally when you pause. I pause because I am not looking at my TV so it really doesn't bother me.

    And if the Ads help them stay in business I really do not mind!
     
  10. laria

    laria Librocubicularist

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    I can tune out the ads, but it bugs me that the UI shifts because they don't show up right away.
     
  11. DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    Clever... :rolleyes:
     
  12. eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    It does seem wrong that most people originally bought TiVo's to fast forward though commercials and now, TiVo's offer their own commercials that can't be avoided.
     
  13. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Be glad that TiVo doesn't run a 10 second video spot ad before playing a recorded show after you select it.

    Wait, I better be quiet. I don't want to give TiVo any ideas.
     
  14. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    It's been part of TiVo's plans from day one. What they were pushing to investors was targeted advertising (learn what the customer want from the shows the customer like). Revenue was supposed to be a tripod - subscriptions, targeted advertising, anonymized customer statistics. In all their own advertising of TiVos. they have never included avoiding commercials as a reason to buy a TiVo. There's been no change in TiVo's philosophy.
     
  15. TScottTX

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    TiVo gave us the 30 second skip to zip through ads, how about giving us a setting to turn off their own ads?
     
  16. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Because you are not forced to watch any TiVo ad, try a website that streams a news story, you (many times) are forced to watch a 10 or 15 sec ad. with TiVo when you go to watch a program that you recorded you see NO TiVo ads when the program starts and no ads before it starts, (not talking about pause). I use TiVo to watch what I recorded, if there are ads getting to the program I want, so what, as long as it takes me no longer to get to my program. The other issue is that TiVo is not making gobs of money so if the other option is no TiVo ads and TiVo goes out of business, not a better solution IMHO. I pay for a newspaper and it is full of ads, so what TiVo is doing is not so unusual. If I demanded that my newspaper had no ads I would not get any newspaper, or have to pay a lot more for the newspaper.
    I purchased an Amazon Kindel for less money that has ads when the Kindel is off, do I care, no and I saved some money, no ads when I turn the Kindel on and start to read. To me this is a good trade-off.
     
  17. CloudAtlas

    CloudAtlas New Member

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    It's not profitable to go after every consumer as there is no margin. If what you were saying were true Apple would have come out with a lower margin iPhone as it's definitely losing a lot of potential customer with their high pricing. Same with the iPad.

    Also note that when you buy a TiVo from retailors such as BestBuy or Amazon.com (to save $5) TiVo only gets the wholesale price. They already lose money on their hardware as it's subsidized but they lose even more from these retail sales. Factor in yearly costs of employee compensation, R&D costs, manufacturing, etc. and you are left with a company that only recently starting making any money after 15 years!

    Probably doesn't help much that there is a large market for older hardware with lifetime subscriptions which prevents new TiVo sales.

    TiVo loses sales due to the cable companies making sure that you have to be very technical and patient person to hook up a 3rd party DVR. While I'd recommend a TiVo Roamio with mini's to my friends there is NO WAY they could deal with CAbleCard pairing and Tuning Adapters. Seriously?

    And unfortunately that really leaves techie guys as TiVo's core base who tend to be very... how should I put this ...CHEAP.
     
  18. CloudAtlas

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    I live a block away from a Ronald McDonalds house and every weekend I see kids in my local Pizzeria with scarves on their head to hide the effects of their chemo treatments. Yet I never see these kids complain. They always seem so happy which is I guess the amazing part of being a kid.

    That's a problem worth complaining about. Ads in TiVo? You should be so lucky that these are the type of problems you have.

    That's what I meant. We all forget to NOT sweat the small stuff and things like that just reinforce that. YMMV. :)
     
  19. CloudAtlas

    CloudAtlas New Member

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    You post is just so silly in light of the facts:

    TiVo Loses Less Money Than Predicted

    The DVR pioneer records a $10.3 million loss on $82.6 million in revenue while adding an impressive number of subscribers.

    TiVo reported a net loss of $10.3 million in its fiscal third quarter on service and technology revenue of $61.8 million, beating the expectations of analysts on the bottom line, though not on the top line.
    OUR EDITOR RECOMMENDS

    TiVo Revenue Rises 33 Percent

    TiVo CEO Tom Rogers: Tech's Major Players Have Let TV Down
    Overall, revenue rose to $82.6 million in the quarter from $67.8 million a year ago.
     
  20. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    FTFY.
     

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