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Roamio features that will (apparently) make their way to Premieres

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Fofer, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't think we'll get any of the special app features. I think we'll see the additional HD screens, DTA for Minis and maybe the slight aesthetic changes they made to the UI. But other then that expect all new features to be exclusive to the Roamio. TiVo is all about the upsell, that's what keeps them in business. (well and patent lawsuits :))
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You have to remember that on an iPhone there is no multi-tasking. Basically 100% of the resources are dedicated to whatever app is running in the foreground. A TiVo is the exact opposite. The vital background tasks for recording and streaming take priority over all else. The amount of resources dedicated to apps is miniscule.
     
  3. CrispyCritter

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    Really? I don't see any sign that it's about the upsell. They lose substantial money on most of their hardware sales, and that money is never recouped for those folks (about half) that go monthly - they would be paying the same in any case. They do get some extra money from the likes of tivocommunity folks who go lifetime, but we're not their average customers.

    I agree with your overall assessment of what's going to happen, but I think it's much more expense avoidance, and keeping focused on how things are changing than it is trying to sell replacement units units.
     
  4. bmgoodman

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    If you consider Tivo's "coming soon" on the geologic time scale, you will *never* be disappointed! :p
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Most people who buy a new TiVo pass their old one on to another customer, so TiVo ends up with two customers where they previously had one. Plus for lifetime units the revenue is written off after 4 years, so if they can get those customers to buy a new TiVo every 4 years then they get some new revenue on the books. In the long run it may not be a huge boon for them, but in the short term it's probably a big influx of cash.
     
  6. sbiller

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    66 months.
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Hmmm... Has it always been that high? Or did they extend it when they raised the price of lifetime?
     
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    Effective November 1, 2011, we have extended the period we use to recognize product lifetime subscription revenues from 60 months to 66 months for product lifetime subscriptions.
     
  9. CrispyCritter

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    Yes, and it was 48 months for a long time before the 60 months and I think I remember 3 years when they first started.

    I've never known whether this was a change demanded by the accountants, or whether it was TiVo wanting to lessen the number of non-paying subscriptions they report to the analysts every quarter. The shorter time periods were an advantage during the period where they had to show some capability of breaking even (ie, before any court settlements).
     
  10. Dan203

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    OK I remember it being 4 years somewhere along the lines. I don't pay that close of attention to it, so I didn't realize it had gone up (twice) since then.
     
  11. sbiller

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    From TiVo's most recent 10K,

     
  12. Fofer

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    Nice comparison chart at weaknees, seems to be more thorough (and accurate!) than even TiVo's own comparison spec chart.

    https://www.weaknees.com/tivo-roamio-comparison.php


    Looking at the base TiVo Roamio, that doesn't have the built-in Streaming capability, the "Mobile Streaming" section says "In Home: Requires optional TiVo Stream." It doesn't list "Out of home" at all (while the Plus and Pro models say "Capable, coming soon.")


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    So does this mean the base Roamio w/Stream won't be able to do out of home streaming?
    If not then that means the Premieres w/Stream would have no hope for it either.

    So what's the deal with out of home streaming? Which models will actually get that feature, once it is out?
     
  13. BigJimOutlaw

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    Tivo said all Streams will get out of home streaming. The early reviewers got a special Stream update to test it, in fact, since the built-in streaming wasn't ready.
     
  14. Fofer

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    Excellent, I've seen similar reports, and am happy/relieved once again.
     
  15. Fofer

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    I'm doubtful but I'd sure be happy if the Premieres got the DIAL/Chromecast functionality. That can't be too computationally intensive, all it is doing is receiving a video's URL to stream... right?

    TiVo's Chief Design Officer, Margret Schmidt tweeted today that a Fall update is coming to the Premiere:
    https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/377883000697933824

    I'm curious to know what that update will bring.
     
  16. dswallow

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    I'm somehow pretty sure it won't bring and end to SD menus. :)
     
  17. mdscott

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    I would be happy if there one or two fewer of them...:)
     
  18. Dan203

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    My guess... DTA for the Mini. HD Wish Lists. What To Watch Now. Bug fixes.

    We "might" get the new Netflix app, since it's apparently still Flash. I don't think we'll get any HTML5 stuff though, so no new YouTube. DIAL is also a maybe. They may hold that back just because it's an exclusive feature of the Roamio, not because there is any technical limitation preventing it. In fact the same might be true of the new Netflix app too.

    However I'd love to be proven wrong and for the Premiere to get more features.
     
  19. Beryl

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    I'd be thrilled if this were so. Bye-bye Chromecast.
     
  20. Fofer

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    Me too. One less TV input change. I'd leave it on TiVo's by default all the time. Casting is best when the TV's always ready for it.
     

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