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Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Smirks, Aug 22, 2013.
Why !! your you assume that??
If any web sight offers something I want at a good price, and I think my payment is safe I will purchase, I am not, as some of you seem to be, the Web police. To purchase from a Web sight and say I am part of a fraud is disingenuous on your part, unless some official gov. agency tells me not to deal with a sight (then I would obey such a request) it not my problem !! It is not my problem because some of you spend time checking out web sights, I don't, just my payment safety. I have not had any loss yet.
The site might be illegitimate, but a CA company having a server in Dallas isn't evidence of that. I'm in AZ and use a hosting company in MA.
The reason I assume that is that it you are only concerned with whether or not you are risking a loss, not with the distinct probability that you are in essence receiving stolen goods. You're not the regular police any more than you are the Web police, so I infer that you would have no problem with it.
I have a big problem with receiving stolen goods, but when I purchase from E-Bay or other web sights I don't assume that I am receiving stolen goods, if, as I said before, I go to the back of say Best Buy and pay a Lenny $300 for a Roamio Plus and he comes back out with the box and no receipt, that I would never do, even though Lenny may have won that TiVo from Best Buy and was not stolen. I would never purchase from the back of a truck or any other such thing, but from a web sight taking PayPal, no problem for me. Amazon was small at first selling book at a great price, were the first people buying book from Amazon think that the books may be stolen ?? If you deal with well known payments systems you can't get into any trouble with the law. Anyone ever purchase from a pawn shop ??
So as long as Lenny has a website and accepts Paypal, the transaction becomes kosher?
I agree with your assessment of eBay, sometimes fraud is unclear. However, after what was learned from the first Roamio from sophiamart, it's tough to justify purchases from the subsequent sites.
What if Lenny came back from BB with a receipt that shows he payed $399? Would you still think it was kosher? When you contacted BB to verify the purchase, did you ask them how much was paid?
You're engaging in what is known as "willful blindness".
You must think the site is owned by Milo Minderbinder.
Did you get your Tivo from Electronichotdeal yet ? Just want to be sure before I order.
YES, it came from Best Buy, mfg date 29th of Oct 2013, took about 1 week to get my tracking number. The BB shipping papers said if I had any problems with the unit I could exchange the unit at any BB store or send it back to Best Buy. I already activated the Roamio and I am now xfer programs from my TP4 to the new Roamio Plus (upgraded to 2Tb)
The sight is http://www.electronichotdeal.com/tivo-roamio-plus-dvr-tcd848000/
This Thread was started for people to report good deals on Roamios, if you don't like the site I purchased it from, don't use it, I don't care as I have no interest in this site except to purchase the TiVo. Calling me names because I used this site is just wrong, as it not my fault if some people don't like this site, just don't use it but don't get mad if somebody uses it and gets a good deal, that not your problem, if the FBI comes to my home and halls me off the jail, that would be my problem!!
(Because of a PM I know at least one other TC member that had a good experience with his TiVo purchase)
I would guess anybody using site would not tell us, who needs to be called names, I have thick skin and don't care what anybody will say about me using this site.
Please stop using "sight". It's "site".
Triangulation fraud is very clever because a consumer can be ignorant of their participation. This happens to be a situation where a consumer can be informed ahead of time.
lessd, Lenny bought that TiVo from Best Buy fraudulently. He got a receipt from Best Buy because the payment processor (the bank) hadn't caught on to Lenny yet. The TiVo isn't clean.
Having said that, Best Buy may consider it a "legitimate" transaction because the bank may have no recourse to getting its money back from Best Buy. It may depend on the agreements they have and what the law says about who's bears the cost of fraudulent charge. If Best Buy bears the cost, you bet they'll consider themselves wronged and want the goods back. If the bank bears the cost, well... now they run the risk of annoying a "customer" and nothing's in it for them, which means they won't lift a finger.
This is probably a no-risk crime for the purchaser. But let's not pretend these particular stores are legitimate retailers paying with clean, traceable money. They're not. People get hassled, the banks lose money - and banks don't lose money (everyone else loses out, if only a bit). The money paid to these sites probably left the country, too. These criminals can run this type of enterprise from anywhere, and being outside the U.S. makes it more difficult to prosecute as long as they keep relatively low profiles.
Congrats! Absolutely buy a Roamio...best upgrade yet. The reason I've had a TiVo so long us due to winning their contests. Won a Series 1 with a poem back in 2000, then a TiVo HD with a video content when it was first introduced.
So anyone have any new deals to report? This thread has gotten off track in the last few pages.
No new deals, but just to provide confirmation to those who may be skeptical: I just within the last hour returned from my local Best Buy with a new Roamio in hand. BB price matched amazon.com's 149.99 price "and" I got the $50.00 gift certificate to boot , no hassle, no store supervisor's involved, no questions asked. Sweet deal, and I owe it all to the forum. Thanks
I'm always a bit skeptical about the very latest model of something showing up on eBay, especially when priced 15% or more below the current going price on Amazon or BB. If the eBay seller's "store" is not listed as being an authorized reseller, and they have product availability in some quantity, then at a minimum the merchandise is considered "grey market". This doesn't necessarily mean it's stolen, but could be a legitimate wholesale distributor's unauthorized sales diluting the retail channel, in violation of their distributorship agreement.The biggest problem you might encounter with such purchases is warranty claims & product returns.
I sea .
Back in around 2000, I won a S1 from a website just for answering a few multiple choice questions. Got an email requesting info for UPS delivery. Back then Lifetime service was just $199.00.
I don't think such a "grey market" exists for TiVos, but for say the Rolex watch, and other stuff a "grey market" does exist, and warranty claims could be problematic. I got kicked off E-Bay because I was selling a new Bose item US made, and offering international sales, once I removed any possible international sales all was ok with selling Bose on E-Bay.
FYI just read through this thread and was bummed about missing out on deals on the Roamio Plus/Pro. Called Tivo directly and was offered a pretty good upgrade (Currently have a Premire) deal on a Roamio Plus at $324.99 and got a Mini for $49.99. Tax and everything brought the total to 413.59 with the 1st month of service on the Mini. No shady online reseller involved!
They gave you a Roamio plus for $324.95 without any monthly contract ??