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Roamio Deals?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by Smirks, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. Dec 29, 2013 #801 of 3246
    palover

    palover New Member

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    Best Buy's been selling the Plus for $320 for a while now, to random credit card accts. that come up as stolen? Somehow I don't think they're that stupid. At that price I'd be shocked if they're even accepting credit card payment and the 3% charge that goes with it.
     
  2. Dec 29, 2013 #802 of 3246
    jntc

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    BestBuy is selling it at full price to these 'scammers' running these sites using a stolen credit card. The 'scammers' are charging $320.
     
  3. Dec 29, 2013 #803 of 3246
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    The "For Dummies" version of one of many credit card scams:

    1. Steal a credit card, like the recent Target credit/debit card account theft.*

    * If you are asking "Huh, what?", then just crawl back under a rock, and keep up the good job of not keeping up with current events.

    2. Buy something with that stolen account info (stolen card).

    3. Accept payment from a non-stolen card, or other means.

    4. Provide what you "bought" with the stolen card to the buyer.

    5. Pocket whatever you sold the product for, since you never paid for it in the first place.

    Simply use technology to do this in bulk, and cover your trail by re-inventing yourself (fake identity) and your means (fake web store fronts).

    If you can't understand this, then please stop asking how the sites selling TiVos at, or below, cost are doing so, as there is no more simple of a way to put it, or dumb it down.

    Just because the end-consumer used a valid card, or other legitimate means to pay for something, doesn't mean that no credit/debit card fraud ever occurred. It's all about the chain of events, before you ever pay for it, or receive it. If you are buying something at a price that is "to good to be true", from some new web store, you might not be committing the theft, yourself, but you are certainly part of the problem. You create the demand, for the supply of stolen card accounts, and the merchandise purchased with them.

    I was finding all the "sophiamart" naysayers and doomsday posters annoying, until I realized I was also being part of the problem (being complacent and staying silent).

    I didn't have my Target card account info stolen. Yet, the fact that I am a cardholder has raised my awareness level.

    There's plenty of others who will keep on calling some of the "deals" out as potential scams, so this is what I have to say, and they can keep plugging away. If you want to help thieves and scam artists get rich, at the cost of everybody else, in the long term, I hope that karma does exist, and truly can be a real b**ch.

    If you didn't know better, and already bought from one of these "here today, gone tomorrow" possible fencing sites that might have used theft of accounts, and drop-shipping, I hold nothing against you. We all make mistakes.
     
  4. Dec 29, 2013 #804 of 3246
    lessd

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    It sure sounds simple, Best Buy keeps accepting bad (stolen) credit cards and keeps shipping, I guess it good for Best Buy to increase its sales, (or the stolen cards belong to say a Bill Gates and he does not check on such small purchases) but these sights have been going on for over 5 months, you would think Best Buy would know by now, I purchased my unit before the Target CC problem, that started on Nov 27 to Dec 15th. You would think Best Buy would get back to me to see who I made payment to on PayPal if this was a scam.
     
  5. Dec 29, 2013 #805 of 3246
    shaggy2002

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    for those of you that got best buy to price match the roamio pro for $499, What did you show them? Your upgrade email?
     
  6. Dec 29, 2013 #806 of 3246
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    What you say does seem logical, just so long as one of the next big new items is Best Buy (and perhaps other stores) being investigated and/or punished for turning a blind-eye, and/or not meeting their obligations to prevent fraud in the first place. Target is the focus at the moment. Who says Best Buy is, or isn't, next?

    I don't foresee the end-purchasers, who bought a reasonable number of fenced items for personal use, without confessing to knowledge of the reason for the price, being penalized. However, this can often come down to state and other jurisdictional laws, which might not take into consideration anything more than the "letter of the law", no matter how arcane, or outdated, it is.

    This is a great example of laws not keeping up with technology. Shouldn't buyers be protected from being able to wind up in possession of the spoils of a theft? Should it really be a crime, when the crime was not obvious, and the consumer not protected from being an unwilling participant?

    If this takes off too much, I'd like to see a new thread for the matter, and keep this thread as the great resource it has been, which is a good thing, when the "Roamio deals" are 100% legitimate.

    It's the technology that allows the cloak of secrecy about the path an item takes from TiVo to the end-purchaser. The old-school way involving real "fences" (shady people, in a shady neighborhood, perhaps in a shady brick store, with no proof of where they got their goods), was the way that would wind up with the last person holding the goods facing those goods being reclaimed by the authorities.

    It's also one thing for say Newegg to sell a $199 item for $19, when we KNOW that Newegg is just doing an insane promo. It's something different, when the online stores pop up like the heads in a "whack-a-mole" game.

    Now that this thread has exposed that "sophiamart" seems to be one of many fronts for the same "virtual fence", it's hard for anybody to claim complete and total ignorance if they got the link to the new front from this thread...

    People can go back and forth all they like about it, and are free to do as they wish, like just dismissing this as alarmism, and purely speculation, then buying from "buycheapherebeforeweregone.com", and they may never be directly implicated, or directly affected.

    It's all speculation, until the other shoe drops (or doesn't)...
     
  7. Dec 29, 2013 #807 of 3246
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    It's 50/50 at best with those emails. It doesn't hurt to try. Some have done it. I wouldn't burn extra gas just to try, unless I was willing to accept a good possibility of either returning empty-handed, or willing to forgo the price-match.

    Even the amazon price matching for $50 off of base models, has had mixed results. Some stores say the $50 GC is the same as a price match, some will accuse you of "double-dipping", if you try for both, some will just ring it up with the PM, then hand you a GC.

    I still can't believe people are starting new threads on Best Buy's PM and/or GC policies, and how to try for both...

    BIG SECRET (for those who have not read anything older than this) :

    Don't ask about gift cards before a purchase, especially if you are trying to get a price match. Once they have processed the sale, gift cards, when applicable, are automatically prompted by their own system.
     
  8. Dec 29, 2013 #808 of 3246
    atmuscarella

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    While what you say sounds reasonable and may be true, the problem is you have no actual facts that prove any particular web site is "fencing stolen goods" - it is all an assumption on your part.

    Regarding selling TiVos below cost, well according to people posting here Best Buy is selling Base Roamios for $85 after you factor in the gift cards which by my math is more than 50% off the retail price of the Roamio. The $320 for a Roamio Plus in lessd's link is allot less of a discount off the full retain price than that.

    So do you think Best Buy is fencing stolen Roamios because they are selling them at such a low price point? The reality is you are again making assumptions about what a Plus costs and can be sold for without any access to real facts.
     
  9. Dec 29, 2013 #809 of 3246
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I NEVER claimed that "Best Buy is fencing stolen Roamios". I've only mentioned that they are the possible go-to source of them for those doing the fencing (via drop-shipping), while never claiming they have any knowledge of it.

    I DID claim this:

    I'm also not the first one to chime in on this. I've actually sat the whole matter out until today, which has been quite a while. If you are going to call me out on not being clear enough about the uncertainty of what is going on, you've been asleep at the wheel, and need to call others out over it as well, if all are to be treated equally.

    I've seen some pretty outlandish statements made, along with many statements lacking any mentions of "if" being the key word, and/or no mention of things being speculative.

    It's unrealistic for anybody to claim they know exactly what is going on, and present everything as fact, just as it is to claim nothing will ever come of it.
     
  10. Dec 29, 2013 #810 of 3246
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Cox Cable...
    I know an argument that there is no way to come out on top of.

    I know the usual players, that will debate until the mods come in.

    That is why I'm excusing myself from further discussion on the subject in the title of this post.

    I may address a question, or ask a few, but I'm not here for debate.

    I already got my (legitimate) deals, and am happy with what I got, directly from a real "brick & mortar" Best Buy, using their price-matching policies, and gift-card promotions.

    Happy (legitimate) deal hunting!

    P.S. I'm not accusing anybody of deliberately getting any illegitimate deals.
     
  11. Dec 29, 2013 #811 of 3246
    lessd

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    You make some good points but near xmiss getting less than a 20% discount is not that unusual, if the discount had been say 70% maybe, but than again sometimes on E-Bay, if nobody is bidding on an item, I have bagged items for 80% off list (not TiVos). AX is a great card to use because if the vender can't prove shipment you get your money back, this has happened a few times for me over the years (again not TiVos) and I have no problem getting my money back from AX.
     
  12. Dec 30, 2013 #812 of 3246
    alyssa

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    Thank you!
    I have to try for the price match over the phone since I'm not close to any bb stores that have them in stock. I'll give the a call tomorrow.
     
  13. Dec 30, 2013 #813 of 3246
    hizhonor

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    I used https://www.tivo.com/shop/promo/roamio-upgrade-offer-landing-page

    And explained it was $100 off the box and $ 100 off the lifetime service. "Since I have to buy the service from TiVo directly, would you price match the box".

    The manager glanced at the web page on my phone asked if it was a bundle, to which I replied I have to buy the service directly from TiVo. She told the clerk to go ahead, she'd rather have the sale. After that was agreed to, I also asked if she would price match Amazon on a Mini. She said as long as it's sold by Amazon-- quickly looked at the web site on my phone --and agreed.

    It probably didn't hurt that she was busy running around helping others. I didn't mention anything about the two gift card promos at the time. They already had the $15 card for spending $100 ( now expired) laying with the TiVo box. The $50 card rang up at the end. The clerk was surprised and I just said "that's great".

    Steve
     
  14. Dec 30, 2013 #814 of 3246
    alyssa

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    The $50 gc offer from bb seems to have expired
     
  15. Dec 30, 2013 #815 of 3246
    laria

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    Yes, the email that I got about it from TiVo said it expired 12/28/13.
     
  16. Dec 30, 2013 #816 of 3246
    shaggy2002

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    Just got bestbuy to price match $499.99. I did not get a gift card. Just confirming what others have already said that the gift card promotions are gone.
     
  17. Jan 10, 2014 #817 of 3246
    moolman

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    For those that don't have a BB or like amazon better because of no sales tax, amazon has the pro for 529.99 right now, lowest in a long time.
     
  18. Jan 10, 2014 #818 of 3246
    laria

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    Wow... wish that was the price a couple weeks ago for price match at Best Buy. :)
     
  19. Jan 10, 2014 #819 of 3246
    cjbell82

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    mjcxp

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    Amazon has the pro for $431.23. I just picked one up to replace my basic.
     

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