I just don't understand why anyone would even bother ordering a Roamio Plus from Sophiamart.com or that other new site when you can get it for $1 cheaper from ABT as long as you don't live in IL, WI, IN, or MI (where they charge tax). On a related note, I got my Roamio from Abt for $319 (after $20 Amex benefit) and my Mini from Amazon for $61 (after $25 Amex benefit), and I was able to sell 2 2-tuner, 45 hour Lifetime Premieres and a wireless N adapter on eBay for $600 AFTER all of the eBay/PayPal fees. I think now is a decent time to be selling Premieres since who knows how long they'll last and they pull in a decent price right now (After 3 years I've been getting worried one would break down with a non hard drive issue and be either a costly replacement or worthless). So I'm getting: $600 in cash Paying: $380 for the devices $400 lifetime on the Roamio Lifetime on Mini pays for itself in less than 2.5 years because I don't have to paying $5/month on Fios for a second cable card. Net cost is about $180 (a little more when I add taxes to the service cost and if I present value the savings on the one fewer cable card), but I'm also getting a new device that ought to be worth a few hundred bucks if I decide to sell it in a few years!