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Roamio and Mini update today (10/17/2013)

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Just a "heads-up": Engaging in argument with TC25D is a waste of time, will only escalate, until he complains to a mod and/or reports your post(s), and you could end up on a temporary ban from the forums.

    While I DID have a pattern of "bickering with multiple members", as the ban stated, I had also reconciled with many VIA PM, which the mods would not know (unless they read private IMs), nor would any other members.

    In all fairness, I WAS given a public warning, by a mod, tried to just lay-low, and post helpful info in the HDD Upgrade Info thread, then slipped up and sniped back at TC25D. I was then in the process of a step-by-step guide for a certain drive model, for new member, which was never posted, because the ban had been placed while I spent a good chunk of time typing it up. The offending post, in response to TC25D, that resulted in the ban was removed by the mod.

    This isn't intended as an attack on TC25D, but a warning to all, that out of all the "bickering" I had been involved in, this newcomer, with a rapidly rising post count, and their own patterns I have been observing, which I would consider "inciting bickering", is somebody who you may want to just consider placing on your "ignore" list. I have yet to see any posts from them that make me feel I'd be missing out on anything of value by doing so myself.

    I've been told, via PM, by a few members, that they don't ignore me, because I have posted a lot that they have found of value, in technical matters, which they found helpful, or just didn't know before. I was also told that I should just ignore fanboy posts, and stop feeding the trolls. I really should have taken their advice.

    Maybe I'll get back to how I used to be, and resist the urge to reply to everything directed at me. For now, I'm just lurking, and wishing I wasn't such an easy target, no matter what I post. I'm ashamed of some of my past and petty arguments, which will always be there for all to see.

    This is my first post, since the ban, which ended weeks ago. I just don't want anybody else, to take the bait and find themselves in the same situation I did.

    Also, since the majority of activity on here is now Roamio-related, I can't offer much, as I don't have one (yet). I'm one of those people who are gnashing their teeth over TiVo putting nearly all their effort into a new product, and releasing a record number of updates, in a record amount of time, while leaving so much unresolved with the Premiere. I'll likely remain silent, from this post-forward, until the fall Premiere update rolls, and a thread for it begins.
  2. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Slightly on-topic post:

    Am I the ONLY Premiere owner that experienced the SAME and EXACT issues with Fox, trickplay, missed recordings on NON-SDV channels due to black screen, and so on?

    I've been waiting for some sort of a thread to crossover between platforms.

    Posting in a Premiere sub-thread would give this type of scenario little exposure, and certainly wouldn't be noticed by the TiVo deity, known as tivomargret.

    Posting here, resolves that, but is only on-topic, in the sense of the issues. I'm posting, because TiVo hasn't been slinging updates or providing any real support for the Premiere (and they never did give such a level of priority to the Premiere throughout it's lifetime, in either respect).

    If nobody makes sure they know (a little help here, tivomargret?), that the SAME THINGS *can* manifest on the Premiere platform, how can those of use lacking the funds to upgrade, make sure we also get the same issues resolved?

    I found the many reports of the problems NOT happening for people who kept their Premieres in service, after buying a Roamio, discouraging. So, I hoped me experiencing them would be an isolated issue, and might not repeat. Well, it has, several times.

    It was the same dates and the same premier episodes of programs, that I experienced the same things being reported ONLY in the Roamio sub-forums. The same kind of sporadic issues after those dates and programs. Now, it's happening less, but enough to make sure to schedule some programs on multiple TiVos, just in case. The Fox and trickplay issues affected every Premiere in the time-window that it did on Roamios, spawning multiple threads here, but ONLY in the Roamio sub-forums. Now, it's hit-and-miss, which units experience these issues, or don't. The issues with trickplay actually started, sporadically, before the date/programs reported around the Roamio areas...

    Any suggestions on where and how a "crossover" issue thread belongs?

    I feel certain, if they were able to squash these issues with the Roamio, they should also to be able to on the Premiere. I just don't see a right place for this, so I'm putting it here, where I know there are many eyes checking in often, especially tivomargret.

    I'm trying my best to not come across as a complainer, or somebody who feels entitled to everything the new product has, for free. I just want to be sure that this fall update is not the last. I'm 99.999% certain, that there are no fixes in there for issues, of which this post seems to be the first reporting of.
  3. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

    May 10, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    Not sure whether you've seen the other thread related to the identified Cisco Tuning Adapter problem. Any fix to the Cisco firmware will help Premiere and Roamio users.
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    I am aware, unless there's more threads about it than I have already subbed to. Thanks for pointing it out, anyway. I'll poke around.

    I knew as soon as I saw the letters SDV, in my post, while now reviewing it, that I was likely making it sound like it was easy to pin it all on the TA (I meant to say non-SDV). Fox isn't SDV for me, nor is 99% of my lineup. It's a handful of channels, like anything owned by Discovery Network, BBC America, and the rest being non-English, that are SDV, but they are slowly moving more (rather than drop analog, on their 1GHz network).

    I'm going to fix that post error, because it was a mistake, since SDV problems are Cox/TA, and not TiVo (or very little to do with TiVo). I don't know why I even mentioned it, other than trying to avoid not making everybody think SDV was involved with the problems. Brain-fart moment.
  5. bbrown9

    bbrown9 New Member

    Mar 12, 2011
    Football sometimes runs late so I have gotten into the habit of padding The Good Wife out for an extra hour just in case.

    Tonight, I got two recordings. One with the title "The Good Wife" that started on time and ran for the original 1 hour that the show would normally be on. The second recording had the title "REC: 504 WBZDT 9:30pm" and ran for two hours. Usually when we pad a recording, there is only one recording and it is for the amount of tie you would expect.

    This extra recording with an odd name is new behavior. I suspect it's a new bug introduced by the fix for the back-to-back recording issue.
  6. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Are you sure you are someone else in your house didn't create a manual recording by time and channel? That is what it looks like based on the recording name. Of course it could be some type of bug but I have never seen such a bug.
  7. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
    So....when are we going to see a detailed changelog for the Fall 2013 update for the TiVo Premiere since nothing here touches on the wide variety of problems that is plaguing the Premiere.
  8. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
    There was a mention on DavidZatz website http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-10/tivo-premiere-fall-update-cometh/ about the Roamio UI being rolled out to MSO (RCN in particular) Premieres via a twitter post https://twitter.com/jnealis/status/380175886223671296 but makes no specific mention (only speculation) and there has been no confirmation (or even vague mention) from Margret that it will be rolled out to retail Premieres as well. If TiVo does allow the Roamio UI on Premieres, that would surprise and please me, since according to the Roamio FAQ it's never gonna happen.
    Q: A new UI look and feel has been introduced on TiVo Roamio. Will a TiVo Premiere have access to this new look? Can I download it to a previous TiVo box?

    A: No, the new look and feel is only available on the TiVo Roamio platform and will not be downloadable to any previous TiVo DVRs. The UI looks slightly different but the functionality and menus are exactly the same.
  9. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    +1 :up:

    [begin OT Premiere-related rant]

    I'm happy to see somebody else has the balls to be asking some of the same things I would like answered, as well, and place them in a thread that TiVo is monitoring and posting in.

    I'm not trying to hijack a thread. But, unless it's in a Roamio thread, these questions would likely never even be seen (at least not by TiVo).

    TiVo seems to have "put all their eggs in one basket", the Roamio basket, while also leaving the Premiere owners with an empty basket, and not letting us know what happened to our eggs, or if they'll ever fix the hole in the bottom.

    While I applaud TiVo's extreme shift in addressing bugs, in record speed, and quantity (for the Roamio), the Premiere NEVER got such resources/effort, especially even when the Premiere was a new product.

    I do know WHY. TiVo is banking on MSO partnerships, with the Roamio. They HAVE TO keep their MSO partners and their respective customers happy, so they are stepping up their game. Since the hardware is the same, any bug fix for MSO partners, can also apply to retail customers.

    When will we see detailed changelogs, which by existing at all, are an admission of issues/bugs with the Premiere platform? I think the true answer is "NEVER". They have few, if any, MSOs using them, and can get away with denying issues and bugs, by NOT providing such changelogs.

    EDIT/ADD: Historically, TiVo has always denied bugs existed, unless they were absolutely certain they had a fix ready to roll. Even then, the only ones who were aware that a bug was known and being resolved by TiVo, were the beta testing participants, who were bound by an NDA to not speak of the inside knowledge they gained by participating, and any such acknowledgments. Then the update would roll, and most of the changelog data, if presented, amounted to "improvements" and/or "new features", if a changelog was even provided. Many have been griping about this for years, going all the way back to the S3/HD. Yet, again, I do applaud what TiVo is doing for the Roamio. I'm just not holding my breath on them shifting much effort to Premiere platforms, even once the Roamio rush has settled-down, nor over hope that they'll start acknowledging bugs and/or providing detailed changelogs for them either...

    [end of Premiere-related rant]

    Note: Any fanboy snipes or otherwise unproductive responses will be ignored. If I choose to ignore, it is not an admission that I agree, or concede.
  10. ilkevinli

    ilkevinli Member

    Jan 6, 2001
    This section of the forums is for the Roamio not the Premiere.

  11. geekmedic

    geekmedic TiVo Fanatic

    Apr 4, 2003
    Atlanta, GA USA
    I was referring to the new UI on the Mini, not the Premiere.
  12. bbrown9

    bbrown9 New Member

    Mar 12, 2011
    Yes, I'm sure. My husband actually changed it for me this time and I was watching. He went into the recording either through the guide or todo list, I can't remember how he got there, but I saw him set the stop recording time to 1 hour longer.

    We never record anything by time and channel. I couldn't even tell you how to get to the menu screen for that.
  13. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

    May 14, 2013
    Oh. I think it still is affected though.
  14. uw69

    uw69 Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Out of home streaming would sure be nice, I could use it right now!:)
  15. swerver

    swerver New Member

    May 18, 2012
    Here's what I said.

    Where's the rude part? All I did was express my dissatisfaction, in much the same way that a chorus of users did about the timeout being too short (actually there were many comments much harsher than mine in that thread), and now the feature has been changed because of them doing that. What's the problem again? I love tivo but they are not above criticism. But thanks for your insightful comments.
  16. anthonymoody

    anthonymoody New Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    It seemed to remember my places when I signed back in. That said, I didn't dive deep bc I prefer the UI on the PS3 and use it for most of my streaming services.
  17. mrbubbles

    mrbubbles New Member

    Apr 12, 2003
    The exact same thing happened to me. It must be a new bug. :(
  18. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    One thing we still haven't seen is the "3-column filter" for My Shows they talked about at Roamio's launch. Guess that's been pushed back.

    If it's anything like What to Watch Now, then I'm not gonna be impressed. I'd greatly prefer Profiles.
  19. lessd

    lessd Active Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    Netflix has always remembered my place until this last Roamio update, when I had to sign back into Netflix, it had my correct view list but did not know what I had watched last so it was starting from the beginning Y1 E1, I was at year 5 E4, it is working OK now.
  20. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

    May 10, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    Great point. That might be the "goodie" Margret is referring too.

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