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Revolution--S01E03--10/01/2012--"No Quarter"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by aaronwt, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. Oct 3, 2012 #101 of 183
    Win Joy Jr

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    You are missing my point. The government ceased to exist when the power went out. There is no command and control system in place without communications. How would the commanding officer of a military base in the Chicago coordinate with Washington which is days or weeks ride away?
     
  2. Oct 3, 2012 #102 of 183
    marksman

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    Think about how much the world has changed since 1997 with central authority and numerous ways to keep in contact and distribute information. It would take a relatively short period of time for these things to fall about. Within twelve months everything would have pretty much dissolved. People would strictly be trying to survive. With new authority, power and control things would change.
     
  3. Oct 3, 2012 #103 of 183
    marksman

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    The us military would cease to exist fairly quickly as soldiers leave to go help their families and friends. Soldiers are not machines. Without power and information they are not just going to sit around.
     
  4. Oct 3, 2012 #104 of 183
    morac

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    Not to disagree with your point, but Germany had recently lost a war, was socked with humiliating and costly reparations and the entire world was in the Great Depression. He used all that to gain power.
     
  5. Oct 3, 2012 #105 of 183
    morac

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    Who are you going to fear more, a soldier/cop who will arrest you if you steal food or a militia man who will slaughter your entire family?
     
  6. Oct 3, 2012 #106 of 183
    marksman

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    You are crazy. I really don't think you grasp the magnitude of disruption this is. No electricity, no communication. None of these would be resolved nor any idea what happened. One day maybe? Once you walk home to your family that first night are you going to wake up and walk back to work?

    I think your take on police officers and military soldiers is completely unrealistic. Even the ones who stuck it out would give up quickly. No communication, no real travel, chaos on the streets.

    You really underestimate the survival instinct people have. It probably took 15 months just for survivors to get to a place where they had their basic needs met.

    I have a lot of military members in my family and firefighters and I doubt any of them would just be hanging out in downtown Chicago trying to police things while not having any idea if their family is safe.

    In fact soldiers and cops would be the most equipped to get their families out of the cities safely.

    After fourteen days of a blackout with no communication and millions of dead people, nobody is staying around to protect the non existent United States.

    Food. Shelter and water and security are primary goals for everybody. I don't see anyway with these drastic of circumstances that all these things don't collapse almost instantly.

    You may have small groups of cops and soldiers who join up with their friends and provide for their families but that comes first second and third before reporting for duty. Soldiers and police officers are just people. Most of them do what they do for a paycheck.

    They idea that any of these groups would remain intact for any period of time is just misplaced
     
  7. Oct 3, 2012 #107 of 183
    Cereal_Killer

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    This makes a lot of sense.

    Also DreadPirateRob’s scenario makes a lot of sense, as do many others. After a month of no reliable food source, or information of any kind from the government, many people (not all) will say phuck the US!! I have to survive by any means necessary!
     
  8. Oct 3, 2012 #108 of 183
    DreadPirateRob

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    Not according to john4200 - he says I make no sense at all. :)
     
  9. Oct 3, 2012 #109 of 183
    DreadPirateRob

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    I know all that. Post-WWI Germans probably considered those events catastrophic, but I was more talking along the lines of an event that caused society to break down to its very basic levels of survival.
     
  10. Oct 3, 2012 #110 of 183
    DreadPirateRob

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    Just because you cannot comprehend it or it doesn't fit with your worldview does not mean that it doesn't make sense. :)
     
  11. Oct 3, 2012 #111 of 183
    DreadPirateRob

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    He doesn't choose to accept that.
     
  12. Oct 4, 2012 #112 of 183
    wprager

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    Just watched it. Not as interesting as the discussion here, but not as long-winded either.

    When are they going to get back to pretending to be sci-fi?
     
  13. Oct 4, 2012 #113 of 183
    RGM1138

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    I noticed that when Maggie opens her phone, the date and timed are displayed. Does an iPhone have to sync with a network to know the date/time? And wouldn't the battery be long dead after 15 years?
     
  14. Oct 4, 2012 #114 of 183
    pmyers

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    Watching tv must be mentally exhausting for you :D
     
  15. Oct 4, 2012 #115 of 183
    john4200

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    No, you are the one missing the point. I read what you wrote. Some is correct, much is incorrect. But that is irrelevant to the fact that it does not explain the inconsistency of why Monroe is able to rule while none of the established government police and military from 15 years ago were able to adapt to provide some amount of order. You can't have it both ways.
     
  16. Oct 4, 2012 #116 of 183
    john4200

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    Actually, it does. You wrote something about order out of chaos that made no sense. The fact that is does not make sense has nothing to do with my worldview. You just posted nonsense.
     
  17. Oct 4, 2012 #117 of 183
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    I don't have an iPhone but it could conceivably get the date and time from GPS satellites if they were still working.

    Lithium ion batteries probably would have self-discharged in a year or less. Most have a low (and high) voltage protection circuit. Once a battery discharges below a certain voltage level, the circuit kicks in and won't allow the battery to be recharged. A lithium ion battery that has sat for too long below a certain voltage will deteriorate and become dangerous to recharge.

    The battery might last that long if it was kept in a partially-charged state by receiving maintenance charges every few months.
     
  18. Oct 4, 2012 #118 of 183
    Cereal_Killer

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    None of the science or technology on this show makes any sense. How is the amulet that turned on the iPhone and music, powered up?

    Also, that lady (Grace) was communicating with a powered up modem over what network? Remember, supposedly there’s no power except near the amulet. I just choose to believe it's techo-magic for now until they tell us more in future episodes

    I do wish someone with an amulet would activate it and then use a cattle prod on Charlie- she’s annoying.
     
  19. Oct 4, 2012 #119 of 183
    RGM1138

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    It's curious to me that the militia was using flintlocks. Wouldn't those be hard to find, (other than in a movie armory)? Maybe this has already been discussed, but why aren't they using more readily available modern weapons?
     
  20. Oct 4, 2012 #120 of 183
    Anubys

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    Another thing that bugs me is how can anyone belong to a militia where your CO uses your life to deplete the bullet inventory of your enemy.

    Isn't that how a CO usually falls on a knife, 10 or 12 times?
     

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