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Revolution Pilot: Hulu/Web now, airs 9/17/12 SPOILERS

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Peter000, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. Sep 15, 2012 #41 of 378
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I guess we'll have to wait and see.

    I hold out hope that they've thought this out beyond "Wouldn't it be cool if the lights went out and planes crashed from the sky?" There's no evidence that they have, but so far there's no evidence that they haven't (us not understanding after one episode without an explanation is not evidence of anything).
     
  2. Sep 15, 2012 #42 of 378
    Blurayfan

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    It's not on Amazon at least yet. However the Pilot is available for FREE download on iTunes currently.
     
  3. Sep 15, 2012 #43 of 378
    john4200

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    There is no direct evidence that they haven't thought it out, but there is circumstantial evidence -- the fact that no one here has been able to come up with a good explanation (and I don't mean that it has to be rigorously correct, just remotely consistent with the fantasy) suggests that there likely is no good explanation possible. Whatever explanation they eventually give is likely to be full of holes.
     
  4. Sep 15, 2012 #44 of 378
    Rob Helmerichs

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    That may be.

    Or it may be that their science adviser is smarter and more knowledgeable than us.

    I'm willing to wait and see.
     
  5. Sep 15, 2012 #45 of 378
    john4200

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    It has nothing to do with a science adviser. There is no possible scientific explanation that can fit with what has been shown. As I said, any possible explanation would be fantasy. The only question is whether it will be consistent with itself, or full of holes.
     
  6. Sep 15, 2012 #46 of 378
    aadam101

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    JJ Abrams usually likes to throw in some supernatural elements.
     
  7. Sep 15, 2012 #47 of 378
    stellie93

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    Aliens or God--must be 1 or the other. ;)
     
  8. Sep 15, 2012 #48 of 378
    MikeAndrews

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    Science, schmience. It's all just theory, you elitist!

    Remember the Titanic-sized holes in Alcatraz. This turkey already has bigger ones.

    They really are pushing the "girl with a bow" angle.

    BTW, another cliche is the "just when one of the overwhelming army gets the drop on our hero, the bad guy gets shot by the smirking off-screen cast member." IAIRC they did that twice in about a 2 minute span.
     
  9. Sep 15, 2012 #49 of 378
    zordude

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    Yeah but it is a crossbow with a hand crank, so she's a sissy. :p
     
  10. Sep 15, 2012 #50 of 378
    GAViewer

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    Older plane's flight control systems are electromechanical that is electric motors power hydraulic systems to operate the flight control surfaces. With more modern planes the flight control surfaces are operated directly by electric motors. Then the latest planes are fly by wire which means in truth the controls the pilot uses don't directly control any of the flight surfaces, but tell a computer what the pilot wants done and the computer actually controls the plane. Now I assume they have redundant sources of electricity, redundant motors and redundant computers. But in all cases without any electricity the pilot loses control of the plane.

    So I can buy without good sources of electricity jet liners fall from the skies. Now smaller gas powered plans would lose power when the spark plugs stop working but should be able to glide to the ground since the pilot controls have cables to the control surfaces and work fine without electricity.

    But I do have a hard time thinking of a reason for them to not use steam power and especially not use water power. During the industrial revolution water power was used in a lot of places.
     
  11. Sep 15, 2012 #51 of 378
    vertigo235

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    Re steam power.


    We've seen one episode.

    Give it time.
     
  12. Sep 15, 2012 #52 of 378
    john4200

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    No, no, no! Act'lly I'm an elidist, defi'ly not an elitist.
     
  13. Sep 15, 2012 #53 of 378
    justen_m

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    I hope it is internally consistent. What if the "laws" of physics have just changed? I am thinking of the ideal gas law, PV=nRT. What if R, the gas constant, has changed, or is no longer a constant? All steam engines, whether powered by wood, coal, gas, fission, etc, rely on behavior of gasses under pressure, as do diesel and gas internal combustion engines.

    If laws of electromagnetism also changed, perhaps electric motors fail too. I am thinking specifically of electromagnetic induction. A change to Maxwell's equations would wreak havoc.

    Changes to Newton's laws of motion could explain planes falling out of the sky and perhaps even limiting the speed of travel. KE=0.5mv^2. What if the modifiers to mv changed radically? Same thing with potential energy. What if the gravitational "constant" wasn't constant, but dependent on other factors?

    Yeah, I know this couldn't happen, but it could be done consistent internally. It'd be cool if they started writing the series after coming up with a new set of laws. (I think we can ignore relativity and quantum mechanics. Newton's laws were good for a long time, and still are most of the time).

    [I haven't watched the pilot yet, so speculation is based on scenarios I've read in this thread]
     
  14. Sep 15, 2012 #54 of 378
    john4200

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    Not really. Such changes would have much wider reaching effects than just causing certain technologies to fail.
     
  15. Sep 15, 2012 #55 of 378
    justen_m

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    That's true. Heck, just the human body alone would probably cease to function.
     
  16. Sep 15, 2012 #56 of 378
    john4200

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    The best explanation I can think of is that it is some sort of targeted nanomachine plague -- specifically designed to target the technologies that have failed.

    However, that explanation does not explain how fast it happened. Self-reproducing nanomachines that feed on electricity (etc.) would probably take months to spread over the world. Certainly not in less than a minute like we saw. Perhaps that could be explained by saying the nanomachines were spread dormant and later activated by a light-speed signal. But during the months when the dormant nanomachines were spreading, many people would have surely detected them.

    Also, they would be visible with microscopes, so surely someone would have figured out the cause fairly quickly, even if they could not do anything to stop it.

    Whatever the cause is, it has to be basically invisible, able to spread around the world at hypersonic speeds, and specifically targeted to certain technologies. I think the writers have really written themselves into a hole they can never get out of. Well, barring acts of god, as stellie93 suggested.
     
  17. Sep 16, 2012 #57 of 378
    MikeAndrews

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    I'll betcha JJ Abrams and the writers are watching these discussions to find the best explanation so they can write it up.
     
  18. Sep 16, 2012 #58 of 378
    robojerk

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    I doubt they care.. 99% of the viewers don't obsess on the interwebs about such details, however if there are no answers then eventually viewers will get frustrated like us.
     
  19. Sep 17, 2012 #59 of 378
    Hiho

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    That story will be a tricky one. Batteries don't work, but turning chemical energy into charge separation (electricity) works just fine in human nervous systems ...
    Along with steam engines, they'll need to explain the absence of diesel.

    There's also this question: If the failure of electricity caused airplanes to start pinwheeling, why are their running lights still on? Answer: because otherwise the audience couldn't see them!

    Good science fiction doesn't penalize the audience for actually thinking about the questions it brings up, so Revolution is shooting for passable at best. At the moment it's looking to do that by being a gamish of Jericho, Hunger Games, and probably Lost.
     
  20. Sep 17, 2012 #60 of 378
    Rob Helmerichs

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