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Revisiting TiVo After Q2 Earnings, Next Stop $11

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by sbiller, Aug 30, 2012.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That comment was inaccurate. TiVos work just fine with all-digital lineups. You just need to install a CableCARD so that the TiVo can properly map the guide data to the digital frequency the channel is broadcast on.

    That comment was complaining about the inability to map digital channels manually without a CableCARD. Some people receive free "clear QAM" channels through their cable system. These are digital channels which are not encrypted and can be tuned to manually if you know the frequency or do a manual scan. However TiVo does not offer a way to map those frequencies to the guide data manually. Their guide data is based on the "friendly" channel numbers used by the cable company and require a CableCARD to convert those "friendly" channel numbers to actual frequencies.

    For the record there are no other DVRs currently on the market that allow manual QAM mapping either. There may be some hacks for Media Center if you have an HTPC, but for the most part you need a CableCARD if you want to record digital cable.

    Dan
     
  2. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    Garbage in, garbage out. In other words, Tivo doesn't create the lineup data.

    Yes, Tivo should probably *help* with the issue. Did you fill out the lineup issue form on tivo.com?
     
  3. Johncv

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    The current lawsuit with V may end up getting you what you wish for. Rumor or speculation is that if V fail in the court (as expected). Unlike all the “other” that lost and just paid TiVo to go away. V will enter into a deal with TiVo to officer and use the TiVo service and set-top box as the one true box. The speculation is Verizon would do what Virgin did in the UK. Verizon needs something to distinguish it from ATT and cable. Both Comcast and Cox have side deals with TiVo if Verizon chooses to go with TiVo, Comcast and Cox would have to follow and this what Cisco fear will happen. Remember this all just speculation also from Seeking Alpo.
     
  4. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    I like you speculation but I think its a long shot. I believe Verizon has a pretty sizable in-house group writing software for the FiOS service and they would essentially be out of a job if Verizon transitions to a TiVo platform. I think its more likely we'll see a settlement where TiVo gets some sort of royalty on existing and future non-TiVo boxes and TiVo users get access to FiOS Video On-Demand in a similar way to Comcast.
     
  5. morac

    morac Cat God

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    I'd call that wild speculation. First off Verizon doesn't compete with AT&T for TV service since there coverage areas don't overlap. Second Verizon just recently partnered with a bunch of cable companies to buy their wireless spectrum in exchange for Verizon promoting the cable companies TV service (though the DOJ restricted that to areas where FIOS isn't available). Add to that that Verizon has halted FIOS deployment (and has pretty much given up on DSL) and you can a picture that Verizon really doesn't want to be in the cable TV business at all. Verizon wants to primarily be a wireless (cell and wireless Internet) provider.

    If Verizon wanted to partner with TiVo it wouldn't make sense to wait until they get slapped down in court since then TiVo could pretty much dictate whatever terms they wanted to Verizon. It would be in Verizon's interest to settle prior to that.
     
  6. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    FiOS certainly runs alot commercials for an entity that doesn't want to be in the TV business.
     
  7. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Of course they do, since they need subscribers in FIOS areas to recoup the huge amount of money they spent wiring those areas. The number of FIOS areas Is tiny though compared to cable companies and FIOS deployment is "done", as is they aren't expanding anymore. It's similar to how the owners of T-Mobile want out of the cellular phone business.

    Also of note, Verizon has been selling FIOS areas to third party companies, such as Brighthouse and Frontier.
     
  8. aaronwt

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    Selling those areas is more about getting rid of their copper line business than getting rid of their FiOS business.
     
  9. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Verizon is trying to get rid of their copper line business everywhere.

    http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/120473
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I wish they would do it in Maryland ASAP. Then that would force my GF to get FiOS and there would finally be a decent internet connection when I visit. And I could try to set up a link between her place and my place with my 150/65 tier.

    But I can't get her to drop her slow 1.25Mb/s Verizon DSL connection. I haven't had a connection that slow at home in over 15 years when I had a one way cable modem that gave me 1Mb/s down over cable and 56Kbs up over the phone line. FiOS has been in her area for years but she still sticks with copper for her DSL and phone line.(Her TV is from OTA). And the amazing thing is that FiOS would be cheaper.
     
  11. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    Well, there are several solutions to that..
    * Give her the gift of better internet
    * have her move in with you
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    If she wanted FiOS she would get it. That isn't something I can give her. And it's certainly not about the money. She makes at least twice what I make but is typically very frugal except when buying a car and playing the slot machines in Atlantic City. While I want to spend as little money as possible on cars and slots. I can't see spending a few thousand each trip to Atlantic City. If I'm going to spend that much money on something it's going to be on A/V and PC equipment. And with cars I want a low end car, not an expensive luxury car. But we will have been together 18 years in November so what we have between each other seems to work.
     
  13. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    Wow.. 18 year long long distance relationship?!
     

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