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Replace Lifetime HD with Mini - any downside?

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by aine, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. Jul 1, 2013 #1 of 25
    aine

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    I have a new TiVo Premiere 4 in the family room, and an older (lifetime) TiVo HD 160GB in the bedroom.

    I have Time Warner, so I can't transfer most shows from the Premiere to the HD, so I end up having to maintain both TiVos.

    I'm wondering whether there is any downside to replacing the TiVo HD with a new TiVo Mini. If I could sell the Lifetimed TiVo HD for $200 (reasonable?) and stop paying for the CableCARD, I would more or less break even getting a Lifetimed TiVo Mini for $249.

    Advantages:
    - smaller footprint, less power
    - one TiVo to "maintain"
    - no Tuning Adapter
    - no more $3/month CableCARD fee

    I never had a Mini, so I don't know the details. But it seems like there are no disadvantages, are there?
     
  2. Jul 1, 2013 #2 of 25
    sbiller

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    <Pros>
    Your advantages plus...
    - Improved performance of the Mini UI
    - Consistent experience with the HDUI

    <Cons>
    - No Netflix or Amazon Instant on the Mini
    - Live TV switching is slower than on the TiVo HD
    - Less tuners available for the DVR. You would be down to 3 tuners for recordings until such time as TiVo releases Dynamic Tuner Allocation

    It will be an easier upgrade decision once TiVo releases some promised software upgrades...
     
  3. Jul 1, 2013 #3 of 25
    lessd

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    Also you must use Moca; it is built in on the TP-4 and the Mini, you do need to connect the router to the Moca system from the TP-4 built in RJ45 or get a Moca converter about $40 from TiVo. You could also use the RJ45 jack in both locations if available.
     
  4. Jul 2, 2013 #4 of 25
    Rose4uKY

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    I currently own 3 Tivo series 3 HD Tivo's and one has a lifetime. I too thought 200 would be reasonable for the lifetime and maybe a 100 a piece for the other two. I am moving and my cable company just switched to Time Warner. We thought about getting Dish with the Hopper and Joey's cause the equipment is free and it's just a 12.99 and 6.95 fee on each Joey we would have two plus the main Hopper that has 2000 hours. Not sure how well it will work in bad weather neither. But I love my Tivo's and have always had Tivo never had my cable companies DVR ever.

    But today I decide to call Tivo and ask what they had new and what all Premiere did verses what I had and I mentioned how I would like to be able to watch a show in any room without having to actually transfer and wait and he told me all about this Mocha and Tivo Mini's.

    He said if I buy a premiere that right now there is a special for free Mocha and then I would need 2 Tivo Minis. He mentioned no Netflix or anything just yet but we would do that on the main Tivo Premiere on our main TV anyway. I just would like to be able to go to any room and start watching a show and pick off in another room. Came here to read reviews on this Mocha and Tivo Mini. Is it worth the upgrade? Or should I just keep what I got. I have 2 Tivo's and my boyfriend has one and were moving in together and will have 3 TV's. This is the 1st thread I saw when I went to Tivo Mini. Sounds interesting..
     
  5. Jul 2, 2013 #5 of 25
    aine

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    Thanks sbiller... I had forgotten about those two "cons". Helpful to have it spelled out. I think you are right that if we eventually get a software update that adds Netflix and Dynamic Tuner Allocation, then the decision becomes pretty simple. For now I will hold off since sometimes the kids watch Netflix in the bedroom. Thanks for the info.

    Les, I have ethernet in both rooms, so that's not an issue for me. But you are right it will be for some.
     
  6. Jul 3, 2013 #6 of 25
    aaronwt

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    You don't have to use MoCA with the Mini. You can use Ethernet as well.
     
  7. Jul 3, 2013 #7 of 25
    lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

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    If you read my full post you would have seen that I said that !! you only quoted the first part. :rolleyes:

    My full post

    Also you must use Moca; it is built in on the TP-4 and the Mini, you do need to connect the router to the Moca system from the TP-4 built in RJ45 or get a Moca converter about $40 from TiVo. You could also use the RJ45 jack in both locations if available.


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  8. Jul 5, 2013 #8 of 25
    Rose4uKY

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    Can I ask a question? I have a series 3 Tivo now and we do Netflix and I think it might have Amazon on there somewhere but I don't know if it's instant and right now when I want to purchase an Amazon movie I have to pay for it and download it and wait before I can watch it. On the Premiere does instant mean I can just press play and start watching no downloading? Were moving and couldn't decide between Dish & The Hopper with 2 Joey's or Tivo Premiere and Mini's. Now we want to sell our Tivo's and stick with Tivo and try the Premiere XL4 and get 2 mini's.

    <Cons>
    - No Netflix or Amazon Instant on the Mini
    TiVo releases Dynamic Tuner Allocation

    It will be an easier upgrade decision once TiVo releases some promised software upgrades...[/QUOTE]
     
  9. Jul 5, 2013 #9 of 25
    aaronwt

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    But you first wrote "Also you must use Moca..". Why is that in that in there?

    I think i did post though before reading the entire post.
     
  10. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

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    Most people don't have RJ45 in all places in their home, so for most (not all) one does have to use Moca with the Mini/TP-4 setup.
     
  11. BigJimOutlaw

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    Amazon Instant is a streaming-only service available to Amazon Prime customers. But as of now, no Tivos support Instant. They only support the old pay-to-download service.

    Additionally, the Mini cannot stream Amazon downloads from a Tivo at this point.
     
  12. Rose4uKY

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    Thanks!

     
  13. MsUnderstood

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    I have been considering the mini to replace the lifetime series 3 in my bedroom. The additional benefit would be:

    The series 3 Hard drive makes noises through the night. (is the mini silent?)
    I could access Comcast on demand (cannot with series 3).

    The cons of no Netflix/amazon can be overcome with my Xbox (or a smart Blu-ray player).

    Was curious about MOCA --I believer my PREMIERE would need MOCA even if I setup my Mini with Ethernet, is that right? AND does the MOCA receiver I connect next to my permiere allow multiple items (for example if I put the moca at the premiere can I also plug in a DVD player and the xbox from the same moca receiver so all can benefit from MOCA or do I need 3 MOCA receivers?).

    Thanks for help.
     
  14. lpwcomp

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    While MOCA is not required, you do need a Premiere 4 or XL4, which has built-in MOCA. You cannot set up a mini with just a regular Premiere.
     
  15. MsUnderstood

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    Sorry for the shorthand--I do have the premiere 4. Since MOCA is built in does this mean I do not need the MOCA receiver on the other end, I only need a MOCA router (not sure if that is the right term) that converts my DSL to moca?
     
  16. lpwcomp

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    Assuming your Premiere 4 is connected via Ethernet to your router, you don't need anything except perhaps a point-of-entry filter on your cable. You can connect the mini to your network via either MOCA (using the P4 as a bridge between the MOCA network and the Ethernet network) or via Ethernet. If you use Ethernet, you will not require the POE filter.
     
  17. MsUnderstood

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    My premiere 4 is wireless right now so I would need to correct that issue.

    I think my setup would be as follows:
    Outside POE filter (since I'll switch to MOCA)
    Upstairs: DSL modem/router upstairs connected to MOCA network adapter.
    Upstairs: that MOCA network adapter connects to Mini
    downstairs: enable MOCA on Premiere 4 (coax cable already plugged in)
    optional: ethernet cable from premiere to xbox to bridge Moca to xbox.

    If that is right, I just need to buy POE filter, MOCA adapter, and a mini.
     
  18. lpwcomp

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    That should work.

    Is your XBox not currently connected to the network? Frankly, I have no idea if that will work.

    Sounds correct.
     
  19. MsUnderstood

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    xbox has a wireless adapter to connect. I had read somewhere you can use the premiere as a bridge to give other components MOCA connection. So xbox connection is a bonus.

    Thanks for confirming the setup. My series 3 hard drive is grinding away as we speak--not only noisy but I'm thinking its a sign of deterioration and it would be same cost to replace HD as it would to configure a mini with lifetime contract.
     
  20. lpwcomp

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    Normally, it's used to bridge between a MOCA network which doesn't have direct access to a router and and an Ethernet network which does. As I said, I have no idea if it works in the other direction but it can't hurt to try.

    You should contact your cable company. They might be willing t install the POE filter at no cost.

    Actually, it can be much cheaper to replace a hard drive, particularly if you do it all yourself. Does your series 3 have lifetime? What size drive does it have?
     

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