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Received a small 2in black box with Tivo Logo by FedEx ??

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by addman711, Jul 6, 2013.

  1. Worf

    Worf Active Member

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    I guess it's a universal smartphone charger kit with car kit.

    It takes AC or 12V in, and outputs either USB to iPhone/iPod/iPad (either 30 pin via the adapter or Lightning) and to everything else using Micro-USB.
     
  2. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Ever since I stopped participating in things that require being a member of the NDA Club, every decent software update that comes out, you don't see people posting about mystery gifts from TiVo. But, every update that utterly disappoints, or makes my TiVo worse than it was, a thread pops up, about these mystery gifts, and people that obviously participated in beta testing, or field trials, break the biggest rule of participation, by disclosing it. So, these people who can't even grasp the basics of a NDA, are the same people entrusted to TEST software before if rolls out?

    God help us all... :( :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :mad:
     
  3. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    I think slamming NDA gagged testers may not be the best approach, just because you no longer are involved doesn't mean they're not doing thorough testing. If I were to find myself in that in that situation some day, I would be somewhat offended by your sweeping and derisive judgement of them.

    While YOUR experience is that each revision makes your boxes a bigger POS than previous, that doesn't mean that everyone has the same result.
     
  4. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    If you look at the basis of my post, I start off making an observation, that I DO GET DECENT UPDATES, and don't see threads popping up about mystery gifts, after those roll out. I then observe that updates I would rather have gone without, seem to be followed by people who can't even abide by the first, and second rules of NDA Club, reporting mystery gifts, and publicly break their NDA. The things that go on in testing involve FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS. So, if they can't even follow the first two rules, before even beginning, what would instill confidence that these participants can follow instructions?

    There was at least one prior thread, where a former beta and field trial supervisor expressed, in a way, that those people were making TiVo look bad, breaking their NDAs, as well as making TiVo have to consider whether any future rewards could be given, without it leading to these things. Obviously, that TiVo supervisor was right. He also used similar emoticons.

    One could simply look at it as Group A for Update "Delta" did a good job, a good update went out, and if they received gifts, nobody heard about it (the way it should be). Then Group B for Update "Zebra" did a lousy job, received gifts, violated their NDAs, and perhaps won't be invited to ever participate again (because they couldn't abide by the rules, and MAYBE didn't follow instructions they were given as testers), and will once again make TiVo have to consider if giving out gifts is worth it.
     
  5. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Coaching your answers in relation to a few folks that were morons in regards to what they participated in does a disservice to the number of folks we don't know about who are able to do what's asked.

    I've done beta for other fields in the past, and the majority of folks involved are good solid testers, and in those instances we found tons of issues (and managed to follow instructions) since the vendor and the product no longer exist I'm willing to say something on the issue. I also know at the time that we found bugs that were considered "acceptable risk" for the released product.

    To suggest with the sweeping generalization of
    is what really ticked me off, if someone had that opinion when I was doing testing back then, I'd consider it quite rude and insulting, thus my willingness to step in and say it now.
     
  6. Richard Cranium

    Richard Cranium New Member

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    I know youre kidding, but I sell those for $4.99 without the TiVo logo.
     
  7. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I understand what you mean. I have no interest in dragging this out. There's more I'd like to add, but I don't have the luxury of no longer being a member of NDA Club. Mine is still active, even though it is years old. Just because I chose/choose not to participate, and it has been years, doesn't take that albatross off from my neck.

    I can't even relay why I made the choice. I can say I feel in a position to do more good, and speak more freely, by making the choice I did.

    Before anybody accuses me of breaking my own NDA, I'll point out that I never said who the other party, on the other end of the NDA agreement is.

    You are right about one thing, for sure... The people whom I "attacked" as a group, have no voice, unless they break any NDA they agreed to. Every group has good and bad apples. If I could go back in time, I'd never have become a member of NDA club, with any entity.

    Then again, I did learn a lot. Unfortunately, I can't share or discuss that acquired knowledge, only use it for my own, on my own. :( :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :mad:
     
  8. NotNowChief

    NotNowChief Addicted to TiVo

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    Wait a minute. Maybe this is why we don't yet have DTA for the Mini!

    They stopped development on it to make a cell phone charger!
     
  9. SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

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    Not that there are other betas..
     
  10. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    This makes me not want to be a beta tester They just give you cheap chinese crap with tivo stickers on it? I can do that myself.
     
  11. SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

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    I've tested for companies that don't give you anything. I like testing just to try out new things and try to break them.
     
  12. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    They used to give out Visa gift cards. At least I remember getting a couple in the past.
     
  13. Bigg

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    How would posting a trinket they give out as part of the program break the NDA about the beta TiVo hardware/software? They are basically two unrelated things from a technical perspective.
     
  14. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    Generally, you're not even supposed to mention that you were in a beta. I don't know what TiVo's current beta agreement looks like, so it may have different rules.
     
  15. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    I'd say that in every case I've seen, the first rule of NDA club is that you can't talk about NDA club
     
  16. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Exactly. Even if something you participate in under NDA Club is over, the NDA remains in effect for perpetuity. The only way out, is if the entity you have the NDA club membership with, ceases to exist.

    Saying you received a mysterious package/item, is OK. Publicly stating that you participated in an NDA Club activity, as a guess at the reason for receiving the item, is not.
     
  17. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    That seems like kind of stretched out logic. Although if you say what the program is, I guess that would technically be breaking the NDA...
     
  18. JSY

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    I thought this is why people test.. not because of some gift afterwards.

    Anyway, as a side note to another comment, I'm not fan of Apple, but their products are largely made in China and they are neither cheap nor crap (but that last part is debatable depending if you are a fan).
     
  19. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    What are the consequences of breaking a NDA?
     
  20. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    Usually, disqualification from future betas. There's really little more that can be done.
     

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