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Read this if you want to use your Series2 DVR with a wireless adapter

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVoStephen, Dec 27, 2003.

  1. Jan 5, 2005 #321 of 482
    rbranton

    rbranton New Member

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    Forgive me if I have accidentlally placed this in two threads. I am still learning.

    Please help.

    I bought three series II TIVOs (2-40s, 1-140); a D-Link DI-624 g/b Router version c with firmware 2.4.2 and 3 D-Link DWL-122 USB Wireless adapters with firmware updated in response to TIVO screen. I am having trouble getting my first machine up on the network. I followed ideas in post from tvaddict and idiot-box-junkie in this forum to no avail.

    The Tivo recognizes the network ssid automatically. I tried no security, alpha security, and hex security; 64 and 128 bit. Each time I tested with my laptop to ensure I had it right. The Tivo is located 20 feet from the router and my wifi-sniffer shows a very strong signal. Each time when it tries to confirm it provides the message:
    "Warning: this network could not be located". A MAC address showes up, but nothing else. I have tried rebooting the router; as well as powering it off and back on. I have not tried powering the Tivo on and off; or otherwise resetting it.
    I would greatly appreciate any help. Thx. in advance. Rhb
     
  2. Jan 6, 2005 #322 of 482
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    Palmdale-CA New Member

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    rbranton:
    I too have the DI-624 and the DWL-122. It took me several hours of trial and error (mostly error) including trying the DMZ before I finally choose the "shared key" setting on the router and it connected. I tried several more iterations and the only thing that got my Tivo to work was the shared key setting. I reset my laptop to match and everything is well. I am using 64 bit Alpha and have had no problems since setting it up.
    I am going through an entertainment center and ceiling and itÂ’s about 30 ft away and still getting 68-75% excellent signal.
    Palmdale-CA
     
  3. Jan 6, 2005 #323 of 482
    rbranton

    rbranton New Member

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    Thanks for the tip. I tried it and briefly had an IP address. However, the connection failed with a new message: "No DHCP Server". I re-entered the network access using "closed connection" instead of selecting the automatic name (which I am still not sure why it was visible given I had switched to a shared mode) and was back to ground zero with no network found. I have tried to get back to at least having an IP address with no success (including unplugging and rebooting TIVO and everything). This is really frustrating and time consuming. Thanks again for your assistance.
     
  4. rbranton

    rbranton New Member

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    Thanks for the tips. Here is my status on the DLink DI-624 and the DWL-122 TIVO connection. I have given up. My son, who is significantly more technical than me was also unable to get them to work. Therefore, I resurrected my retired DLink 11b DI-713P Router with the DW-122 adaptors on the TIVOs and had two TIVOs online and communicating with each other within 30 minutes; and will have a third one online tonight.

    A final note. My idea was to have one 140 hour TIVO that would be used to record most programs; and two satelite 40 hours TIVOs mostly to watch in different rooms. A great idea, but utterly impractical with a wireless 11b network speeds. This speed is not viewing speed and it took over 45 minutes to transfer one 30 min program. Further, it locked down the network for other traffic. If you are planning something similar, I would advise you to either use a hardwired ethernet network or wait until TIVO supports the "g" adaptors or better yet the turbo g adaptors that run at 104 mps. If on the otherhand all you want to be able to do is remote scheduling and internet program update, the 11b is fine.

    Thanks again for the advice. If anyone else has any ideas, one day I will want to restore my highspeed wireless network; but I don't have anymore time to invest in it now, so I will live with a slower network speed to gain the online program updates and remote scheduling.

    Rhb
     
  5. larrywade

    larrywade New Member

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    Hi,

    I recently purchased a Tivo DVR (Humax), software v5.4xxx. I tried to add a wireless Adapter (Linksys USB54G) without first checking whether it was on the compatible list. It isn't being detected despite re-connecting a couple of times through dial-up. It doesn't appear on either compatible or the complete list. Is there a reason for this? Should I expect that it will be supported in the future? Should I go and purchase a compatible wireless adapter?

    Thanks,

    L.
     
  6. ashu

    ashu User title defunct

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    Wireless G adapters are not yet supported, supposedly. Although the expectation and the rumours (including supposedly informed sources) imply its only a matter of (hopefully little) time.

    G Speeds ARE achievable now via some trickery - see the Ultimate Wireless Network thread :)
     
  7. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    Basic quality recordings transfer in real time over 802.11b connections. Also if you give it a 5-10 minute head start you can transfer two shows between TiVo's. For some reason however the first show transferring gets precendence between the two. So one TiVo displays in real time, and the other needs a few minute pad built in.
     
  8. BrettStah

    BrettStah Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    My sister's wireless network can send a 30 minute recording from one Tivo to the other in 20 minutes. (Basic quality recordings - she rarely uses any other quality, so I wasn't able to test any other quality level when I set up the network for her).
     
  9. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    That is my experience as well. For most shows basic quality is good enough. Shows like Tomb Raider however definately don't do well at basic.
     
  10. rasguy

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    Ok - I have a few of these USB wireless adapters lying around unused so I figured what the heck I'd try it. After about an hour of futzing around (yes futzing is a technical term) I was able to get it to work.

    1) I have a d-LINK DI-624 802.11g WAP in the basement running DHCP
    2) I had to turn OFF the WEP encryption - no matter what I did the WEP keys entered (tried HEX and ASCII) would not work
    3) DHCP Enabled - no good, Static IP enabled - no good, back to DHCP just for grins - it connected....go figure
    4) Signal stregth = 32% marginal but the base sation is buried in the basement - TiVo unit does not complain - reoriented the antennas as best I could
    5) I DID let TiVo flash the firmware for the MN-510 as I doubt that I am going to use it on a PC ever again.....MSFT specifically has a KB article stating that if you flash the ROM you do so at your own risk, lots of reports of broken MN-510's after the TiVo ROM flash when people try to use it on a PC again
    6) 1st 3 digits of my TiVo 5400 are 540 and S/W version is 5.3.01-2-540

    Just a quick post from a newbie with a closetful of old gear.

    Looking forward to eliminating the phone cord on my living room floor tonight.
     
  11. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    You might look into high gain antennas for your access point. Also you can buy a 16' USB cable for your adapter so that you can position it for best reception. I did both and raised the quality from 33% to 82%.
     
  12. ThePhantomsGirl

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    Hey all,

    This MAY be on here somewhere - but I just moved and the trip didn't set well with my computer and it's in the shop. I'm on a laptop connected via (gasp!) dial-up with AOL. (yes, I'm miserable...) Hence why searching is difficult...

    Any way, I get here and find out there is NO local dial-up number for TiVo. (Taravres, Florida). Okay - we JUST intalled a Wireless Network (a LinkSys G system). I know I need the WUSB 11 v 2.6 or 2.8 verson.

    Question: BUT will it work with the "G" system? (as when I looked today in Office Depot they seem to be "B"'s. I do know TiVo doesn't yet support G - but can I put on a "B" adapater and use it with the "G" system?

    Thank you! I MISS my Tivo big time! (and I HATE Comcast you don't want to hear the story about trying to hook up the wireless network....)

    Smiles,

    Holly
     
  13. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    The good news is that yes, you can use the B adapter. G is backwards compatible for B. Also you can use a Linksys G Wireless game adapter and connect it to your ethernet port and use G with your TiVo so you can get the full benefit of the G standard.

    You also need to have your wireless attached to a broadband connection or at the very least a PC running ICS so TiVo can connect and get data.
     
  14. ThePhantomsGirl

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    Thanks Stormspace! We are connected via broadband (Comcast which I already hate). I'll have to check out the game adapter thing which you speak of. Would I still buy the B adapter - but also get the game adapter (connected to the ethernet port)?

    Smiles,

    Holly
     
  15. MReynolds2005

    MReynolds2005 New Member

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    I am having trouble with the gateway settings.
    I enter the gateway settings from the Network settings screen but Tivo does not find the router.

    any help would be appreciated
     
  16. antalo

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    As far as I know you have to enter all the IPs into the Tivo when you set it up, including the security code. I have mine set up for DHCP but no sec codes, therefore you have to turn off the WEP. You could telnet or ftp the codes into the TIVO or change whatever you want to change. My set up works fine, except no WEP.

    Also "G" adapters will not work with the TIVO. You can have a "G" router or Gateway which has to set up for "dual" operation.
    The TIVO folks said the reason they make the TIVOs to work with "G" adapters, because it would not increase the speed. Evidently inside the TIVO somethings restrict the speed of the data flow. I read ovwer here that they can make the data transfer from one tivo to another faster. You can't watch it faster anyway, so why the rush ? You can tranfer a 30 min. date in 20 min, but you still going to watch it in 30 min. The data has to be read from one drive fed thru the adapter and it has to be received and written to the target drive. You can't feed it faster than it can be read and written. Capish ?
    Antalo
     
  17. antalo

    antalo New Member

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    San...

    Your gateway should be 192.168.1.1 This has be in the TIVO also. For the IP use DHCP, which means the routeror gateway assigns the IP as they are turned on. 192.168.101 and up. You can assign an IP to the TIVO, but it has to be input in the TIVO . Normally you would assign a number under 100. Print servers use 192.168.1.78 (could be any number) I have a satellite receiver running on linux and I have assigned 192.168.1.24 Anytime you see that number you know whaT it is. I was told that when the "gurus" write a program that's the IP they use, so if you try to assign a different IP, it wont work. I am not an expert, just trying to find my way in the jungle. I forgot to mention, this applies to S1 SA TIVOs. S2 is easy, just follow the instructions. Do NOT USE "G" adapters. Wont work. I tried.
    (That doesn't mean it can not be made to work)
    Antalo
     
  18. antalo

    antalo New Member

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    If you are psychic, you should know :D :D I checked into the "game adapter" on the net and it cost around $140.- A wireless gateway/router runs around 60 to 80. As I posted before there is no advantage getting "G" adapters for the TIVO. I may be wrong, but that's what the TIVO folks told me. (e-mail). Get a Linksys WRT54G It is wireless and you can also add 4 hard wired units. I assume you are talking about S2 TIVO.
    I spent many hours on the Linksys techsupport to get me going and troubleshooting when it got stuck. If it quits, unplug the power from the modem and router and after about 15 or 30 sec. plug in router, wait until all lights are on or flashing, plug in router. Sometimes when it doesn't work, you have to turn off the PC also and turn on when the above 2 are working. It is also important you run the latest firmware and drivers for each peace on your net.
    Good luck,
    Antalo
     
  19. cabinetman

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    My first question and my Humax isn't even here yet! But, I'd like to be prepared.

    After reading all he wonderful info available at this site, I did purchase the appropriate LinkSys WRT54G router and it's up and running on my computer right now. However, I was also given a WUSB11 adapter but it does not have the "version" printed on it or any of the literature anywhere. It is the model that has no vertical antenna but an internal antenna. I would appear that it is an early version of the models you've listed.

    Will this adapter work on the Humax or should I purchase the newer version of this adapter? Any suggestions? Their link is here:
    "ftp://ftp.linksys.com/datasheet/wusb11ds.pdf" Remove the quote to make it work since I'm a newbie and can't post links yet.

    Thanks, in advance, for your help. I'm really looking forward to getting my system up in my home theater system very soon.

    Rome
     
  20. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    No. You either need the USB "B" adapter or the "G" game adapter. Basically the game adapter acts as a wireless bridge into your ethernet port. It broadcasts the MAC of the TiVo network card and allows you to benefit from the 54mb speed of the "G" standard.
     

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