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Re-Watching Buffy The Vampire Slayer SPOILERS!

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by hummingbird_206, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. hummingbird_206

    hummingbird_206 Active Member

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    I am so far behind on my rewatch. Weather here has been sunny (though cold) and I've been getting out a lot to enjoy the sunshine.
     
  2. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

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    Finished Buffy season three. Started season 4 and watched the Angel premiere too.

    I think I remember why I never got into Angel. This whole "save the sad pretty girl" stuff is dull. Is there a point it gets more away from this and towards demon fighting? I watched off and on in later seasons and I think it gets there eventually. Maybe?
     
  3. john4200

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    Sure, lots of demon fighting in Angel. I think Angel is the better show actually.
     
  4. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

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    I'm way behind on my reviews.

    Finished Season 2.

    S0217 Enemies - A
    S0218 Earshot - B
    S0219 Choices - B
    S0220 The Prom - A
    S0221 Graduation Day: Part 1 - A
    S0222 Graduation Day: Part 2 - B

    Season 2 - A

    I was probably a little generous on some of those grades because I don't remember them so clearly. :eek: Enemies has some nice surprises and good emotional impact. Earshot - wow! Xander makes a joke about how doesn't everyone dream of shooting up the school with an AK47 (or something like that). You sure couldn't say that on TV today. Choices was good but not great. The Prom has some of the worst make-up and costume jobs ever on those hellhounds but gets a big fat A for Jonathan's speech which makes me cry every damn time. Graduation Day I preferred the emotion and tension of the first half along with the Buffy and Faith fight. The second half had some good moments, but it wasn't as powerful as the first IMO.

    I wasn't sure about a final grade for season 3. I almost thought I should go B because it is not as good as season 2, but knowing what's coming the rest of the show, this season deserves an A too.

    And now underway with season 4.

    S04E01 The Freshman - C
    S04E02 Living Conditions - C
    S04E03 The Harsh Light of Day - B
    S04E04 Fear, Itself - B

    Once again we start the season with Buffy feeling isolated from her friends. I don't really like episodes where the Scoobies aren't getting along and Buffy is feeling weak. The next episode just annoys me that yet again (a regular issue throughout the series), the Scoobies don't believe they slayer and she turns out to be right. Things pick up a little bit in the Harsh Light of Day, because how could it not with Spike back. Add in Harmony, some good Xander and Anya action, and it elevates itself over crappy Parker. Fear, Itself is a pretty good Halloween episode with a funny climax.

    I was going to try to watch Angel too, but I really don't like that pilot at all. Not sure I want to bother.

    Also, I never got all the hate for Riley. I loved him and was really bummed when he left the show. He's smart, kind and handsome.
     
  5. Lori

    Lori Social Defective TCF Club

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    I thought he was boring. And he wasn't Angel.

    The episode where Angel kicks his ass is one of my faves. I could watch that scene over and over.

    The Yoko Factor. "You never train with me anymore. He's going to kick your ass."
     
  6. MikeCC

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    Significantly better, in my estimation. (At least for a few seasons...) Angel had a more complex, adult feel to the stories. Part of that may be the female lead being Charisma's Cordy. Cordy had a adult aura, while Gellar's Buffy always seemed too child-like and very much the waif, in my opinion.

    Plus, Angel's stories tended to be darker and less innocent than the Sunnydale plots. While both had quite a few moments of humor, the humor in Angel wa often a very nice suprise, giving the viewer some tension relief.
     
  7. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh.

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    I can't believe that I forgot all about Harmony.

    Riley was like a mayonnaise on white bread sandwich.
     
  8. Eddief66

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    One of my favorite quotes is about her. It's from a future episode so I used spoilers.

    Harmony has minions?
     
  9. Zevida

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    S04E05 Beer Bad - C
    S04E06 Wild at Heart - B
    S04E07 The Initiative - B
    S04E08 Pangs - A

    Beer Bad wasn't as terrible as I remember. Not good, not bad. Wild I Heart I hate because I don't like that Oz left, but Alyson does some pretty great emoting and it was a good episode in spite of my dislike for the storyline. The Initiative was a fun reveal and had Spike back and we found out he's neutered. Riley bumbling around Buffy was entertaining. The Xander and Harmony fight was awesome. After Becoming Part 1, where Angel drinks Buffy, and then this episode where Spike tries to drink Willow, the vampire sucking blood = sex metaphor is firmly established, if it wasn't already.

    Pangs I just love. Maybe it doesn't deserve an A, but Spike's dialog in this episode is so fantastic, I can't give it just a B. Really, just all the dialog throughout the episode. Giles and Willow fighting over the ethics of colonization was great. Buffy freaking out about being the perfect host and how to kill without killing the spirit. I really enjoy watching this episode.

    I might switch back now and give Angel another shot, try to watch through the full first season and see if it hooks me.
     
  10. JYoung

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    If you're not hooked by episode 9 of Season 1, then I'm not convinced that the show is for you.
     
  11. Zevida

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    That's the episode that made me stop watching during the original airing.

    I was really not happy they killed Doyle, so I stopped watching. Now that I know it happens, maybe I'll make it past that. I thought I saw the episode when Wesley arrived, and that comes after. I don't think I saw much else of season 1.
     
  12. Ozzie72

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    Zevida, keep going with Angel. I think you will appreciate it more and more as it goes on.

    I tend to agree with others here that, on the whole, Angel was a "better" series than Buffy. By that I mean that it spent less time on monster-of-the-week episodes before spinning out the complex, overarching, character-driven storylines that Joss Whedon does so well. I think it really fired on all cylinders for 4 of its 5 seasons, with the occasional clunker ep like all series have.
     
  13. john4200

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    And a show of this type is defined by the quality of its bad guys. It is just tough to top a multi-national, ahem, multi-dimensional Evil with a capital 'E' law firm as the primary antagonist.

    About Cordelia in the last season:
    I think it could have kept going for another few seasons if they had not had to mostly write Cordelia out.
     
  14. Ozzie72

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    I've joked with my best friend the lawyer that he needs to hang a shingle under the "Wolfram & Hart" name and see what kind of business he drums up. He, not being a fan, doesn't see the appeal. :p

    I like to think that W&H was the trial run for the Alliance / Hands of Blue we saw in Firefly.
     
  15. Zevida

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    I'm behind again! I need to start reviewing each night. This season especially, the episodes blend together.

    S04E09 Something Blue - A
    S04E10 Hush - A
    S04E11 Doomed - C
    S04E12 A New Man - B
    S04E13 The I in Team - C
    S04E14 Goodbye, Iowa - C

    I enjoyed Something Blue because blind Giles and Buffy and Spike engaged are just too funny. And Alyson does some great acting in this one, poor Willow. Hush is one of the best of the show. The Gentlemen might be the best demon ever on the show. Amazing effects, make-up and costume and the music in this episode is incredible. The best of Buffy.

    The three more Initiative-centric episodes get average grades. They weren't terrible, they weren't great. As I'm rewatching this season I think it has many episodes and stories that are some of the best of the show, but because the Initiative and Adam are some of the lesser big bads of the show, the season as a whole is downgraded. I'm enjoying it more than I thought and I know some good episodes are coming up.

    A New Man deals with Giles' isolation from the group and changing dynamic post Sunnydale High. And of course we get Ethan back. I want to give this an A, but its not quite there.

    Oh, the only downside to Hush is it introduces my least favorite character - Tara. With the shyness and the stammering and the ducking her head so her hair hides her, she's the exact opposite of the Scoobies, which I guess is good for variety for the writers, but man I found her dull and boring.
     
  16. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

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    I've only made it through two episodes of Angel. I just don't have any interest in watching...maybe once I finish season five of Buffy. Or after the Buffy episodes with Faith, watch the Angel ones.
     
  17. MikeCC

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    Maybe Angel just isn't for you.

    I found my interest in Buffy waned after its first 3 seasons, with Charisma heading over to the new Angel series. So I suppose it's just as possible that Angel might not be a Buffy fan's cuppa.

    Of course, the first two eps hardly set the stage for any big bad yet.
     
  18. billypritchard

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    Especially comparing season 4 of Buffy to season 1 of Angel, there is a marked difference in format. Angel season 1 is highly Case-of-the-Week, with only some sprinkle of onware story towards the end. Maybe they are best watched separately.
     
  19. Zevida

    Zevida witless and unarmed TCF Club

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    When I started Buffy, I started mid season 2. I went back and watched season 1 eventually and loved it too because I love the characters.

    I think if I jump ahead in Angel and try when the stories and characters are more developed that will help some.
     
  20. billypritchard

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    I was looking at the Angel episodes. You could skip ahead to ep 18/19, which feature Faith. Then the last three start to ramp up the continuing storyline. And 20 introduces a new series regular.

    Interesting note. I see that Howard Gordon (24, Homeland) wrote several season 1 episodes. And Shawn Ryan (Shield, Terriers) wrote several season 2 episodes. Cool.
     

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