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Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by petesweeps, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. Dec 4, 2016 #161 of 182
    Lurker1

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    TiVo, Inc. is actively motivating long-time TiVo loyalists like you and I to investigate alternatives. This does not bode well for the future of the company.
     
  2. Dec 5, 2016 #162 of 182
    lpwcomp

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    I don't really give a rodent's posterior what your preferences are. You can say "no offense intended" but I find your use of the phrase "big woody for the metadata transfer" very offensive. And I am far from alone in my preference. Plus, if I xfer a bunch of episodes of a TV show, it sure is nice to have the season and episode numbers displayed.

    As far as not knowing what you transferred goes, don't you know what you want to watch w/o resorting to a db that gives you a selection based on criteria?

    Pull is not dependent on an external server. Even before this latest debacle, there were times when the server was unavailable for days. Further, while this particular factor is not important to me, a pull does not create a recording that can't be streamed remotely.

    Having said that, I definitely hope they get push working again, as I used to push a lot of stuff to a remote TiVo. Now I am back to sneaker net. Unfortunately, I have no real hope that it will be.

    BTW, I have 5000+ recordings. Just on my NAS, I have 3600+ episodes of 179 TV shows and over 1000 movies.
     
  3. Dec 5, 2016 #163 of 182
    lpwcomp

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    I think it is more a case of the the new owners don't care, rather than actively trying to drive users away.
     
  4. Dec 5, 2016 #164 of 182
    lrhorer

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    But everyone else should care about yours? In point of fact, my very query suggests I am interested in your motivation, at the very least.

    I have no idea why it would offend anyone, but OK, I apologize. Would, "Your posts over the years show you are heavily invested in the information provided by a pull", be less offensive? Your post notwithstanding, the question remains.

    I don't know that to be the case or not, but I certainly don't recall anyone who was so adamantly wedded to the preference.

    Again, why? What does it add to the enjoyment of the show? Not that I have very many TV series recorded, but I do have some episodes of 6 different series and complete episode sets of 4 others. I don't understand why anyone would care in the very least what specific season and episode a particular recording might be. Sorting by air date on the server I can completely understand, but It gives me no satisfaction whatsoever to know I am about to watch or just finished watching Season 4 Episode 2 of Wings or JAG. Can you explain it to me?

    It's also trivial to embed that information in one of the fields the push does transfer, BTW.

    No usually, not. Do you always know what you want to order at a restaurant without looking at the menu? Even at my favorite restaurants, I still glance at the menu to see if something other than what I have in mind may strike my fancy. I don't know about you, but I most certainly cannot recall all the videos I have on my server without looking at the list. Actually, I say I don't know about you, but I bet I do. I certainly know all 50 states in the U.S., and so do most Americans, but not 1 in 1000 can actually name all 50 states without resorting to a reference, even if they write them down. Far less am I able to remember all the titles on my server. Give me the name of a movie, and there is a pretty good chance I can tell you whether I have it recorded, or not. Ask me to tell you all the videos I have? Forget it. Above you say you have over 1000 movies on your NAS. I SERIOUSLY doubt you could list even 500 of them off the top of your head without looking at the list - which would take you several minutes, perhaps even close to 10. For that matter, I find it highly unlikely you can name more than 100 or so of the TV series you have on your server without looking, unless you are one of those exceedingly rare individuals with an eidetic memory. I surely am not, and neither are most TiVo users.

    More importantly, my guests, who most often are the ones selecting the show to watch, have absolutely no idea what is on my server. Finally, whether it is they or I who am selecting the show, we almost always want to watch some specific genre, like "Comedy", "Western", or if they have their kids with them, "Animated" or perhaps "Family". Do I sometimes have a specific show in mind to watch before I even sit down? Surely. 'Maybe 20% of the time, if that. Even then, however, using the pull takes typically several minutes to select the video (unless it is The Adams Family or Zorba the Greek) as opposed to 5 or 6 seconds at most using Video Manager.

    Oh, yeah. Believe me, I hate that, and not just on the TiVo. There is absolutely no way I would ever choose to handle anything via a remote server if I have any choice at all.

    Absolutely. I am not saying the push is by any means an ideal situation, merely that the pull is unacceptable. The push was only marginally acceptable when it was working. Now neither is. I have no particular preference or affection for either utility. Frankly, they both suck at both the low level and the user level, but at least the push can be programmatically altered to a point where it becomes quite usable - when it works.

    Sneaker net? Really? I can hardly imagine that, although I suppose with an external hard drive it wouldn't be too terrible.

    Me, either.

    The 179 shows are not too difficult - assuming you have segregated each series in some fashion. At roughly 4 directories per second, one can navigate from A - Z in about 44 seconds. Dividing up the series into sub-folders A - Z cuts that down to about 10 seconds or so to get to the list of series starting with your target letter, and getting to the series name will only take another 4 seconds or so. If you divide the series up by season, then you may only need 10-15 more seconds to find the episode or group of episode you want - assuming you have all the episode names and numbers more or less memorized.

    The 1000 movies are another matter. In my case, it's well over 2500. It takes more than 4 minutes just to get from the top of the list to the middle of the list on my server using the Now Playing menu without reading any of the titles. Trying to sort out all the comedies in the list just by looking at all the names? Forget it. For the moment, if this isn't fixed or circumvented by the new year, what I will do is create a separate share of 27 folders divided up alphabetically for the movies, use pyTivo Video Manager to select the video I want, and then pull the video by hand. It's terribly slow, but not nearly so dreadfully slow as trying to use the pull by itself on a list of 2500+ titles.
     
  5. Dec 5, 2016 #165 of 182
    jcthorne

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    I too long preferred push for various reasons.

    But just for this discussion, season and episode numbers came across fine for the last year or so as long as the ProgramId was correct. So for tv shows, it got most of the metadata that was needed on the tivo via a push. For movies I never really wanted more than title and description anyway. For any further information I usually looked things up elsewhere.

    For the way I use the tivo system, push just worked far better. Pull is a PIA.
     
  6. Dec 5, 2016 #166 of 182
    lpwcomp

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    lrhorer,

    You are the one that has insisted over the years and continues to insist with this post that a Push initiated via Vidmgr is the only viable option under all circumstances for everyone. Not everyone wants the same things you do. Nor should they be denigrated if they don't. You are the one who has the attitude "If I don't care about something, then neither should anyone else. If I do care about something, then so should everyone else."

    In this particular thread, I have simply inquired of some people why they can't use pull if push isn't working. There were actually some who didn't realize that it was even an option. I also understand that push using Vidmger is by far the best option for Mini users, but right now and maybe from now on, using a full TiVo to pull is the only thing that works. Come to think of it though - can you initiate a stream via Vidmgr and does that work? I suppose there's also Plex.

    I don't care about genre's, categories, etc. I don't decide "I want to watch a comedy" so need a list of comedies. I decide that I want to watch a specific movie. I do have the movies split up alphabetically and in some cases by series. No, I don't have the list memorized. Truth be told, I don't actually watch movies that often. Mostly it's a case of "binge" watching a TV series. Do I wish that there was an easier way to queue up multiple pulls? Absolutely. But I "fer dang sure"(movie quote) don't want to be dependent upon the TiVo servers.

    For sneaker net, I am using a 128GB USB 3.0 flash drive.
     
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  7. Dec 5, 2016 #167 of 182
    lew

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    Let's give the issue some perspective:
    1. Tools like pytivo, kmttg, Vidmgr were never directly or indirectly supported by tivo.
    2. Push was used to allow automatic downloading of selected podcasts. Tivo abandoned that years ago.
    3. The major functions marketed by tivo for TTG is now accomplished by apps. Remember one of the "work flows" was to download to your PC, burn to a DVD so you could play the show on your laptop while traveling.
    4. Tivo no long supports TTG.
    5. Tivo never positioned itself as a front end for private VoD libraries totaling hundreds, maybe thousands, of programs.
    It's good that posters like lrhorer were able to fine tune their libraries, with the assistance of third party tools, to get the exact viewing experience they want. It's unreasonable to think tivo should devote any resources to fixing "broken" features which tivo effectively dropped years ago.

    Plex support probably is the most popular video server. I think Roamio requires 720p, or lower, resolution with a somewhat low bitrate.
     
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  8. Dec 5, 2016 #168 of 182
    Lurker1

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    Would it be too much to ask for TiVo, Inc. to provide a statement of their position on this issue?

    "Push functionality is discontinued. It will not be fixed."
    "We are aware of the problem and have assigned it a low priority. We will fix it when we have nothing better to do."
    "Top men are working urgently to correct this critical flaw. A remedy will be forthcoming posthaste."

    My guess is the first statement is the correct one.
     
  9. Dec 5, 2016 #169 of 182
    lpwcomp

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    TiVos latest suggested "fix" is here.

    While I doubt that this will work, the fact that TD has been made available for d/l from TiVo is somewhat interesting.
     
  10. Dec 5, 2016 #170 of 182
    lew

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    Tivo stopped making those kinds of statements years ago. They announced the end of support for tivodesktop which kind of suggests number 1. I'll speculate push will only come back by accident.

    Asking too much, maybe not. Maybe tivo doesn't want a bunch of complaints.

    Not at all interesting, JMO. TD has always been available, just not shown anywhere. You needed to know the link.
     
  11. Dec 5, 2016 #171 of 182
    wmcbrine

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    Really? I'm sure it's the third.

     
  12. Dec 5, 2016 #172 of 182
    lpwcomp

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    Really? Ever since TiVo dropped support for TD, the only links to d/l it I have seen are to third party sites.

    Exactly what I was thinking.
     
  13. Dec 5, 2016 #173 of 182
    lew

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    VideoRedo requires at least a partial install to directly handle tivo encrypted files. Dan has been posting the direct link to TD (on tivo.com), as requested by posters, for as long as tivo dropped support.
     
  14. Dec 5, 2016 #174 of 182
    eherberg

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    Hasn't Ira already pretty much stated this in his 20 questions regarding pc-to-tivo transfer?
     
  15. Dec 5, 2016 #175 of 182
    Lurker1

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    I found these relevant quotes:

    "This isn't ideal, but the PC transfer is no longer a supported feature on our platform."

    "We understand that there is a hole that was left when TiVo Desktop and Desktop Plus were EOL'd. There were some external reasons why we had to EOL that product. We are presently trying to get a replacement on the technology roadmap."

    Depending on how you interpret these seemingly-conflicting statements, I guess we are lucky that transfers work at all.
     
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  16. Dec 5, 2016 #176 of 182
    eherberg

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    His response from this thread 20 Questions with Ira Bahr - TiVo's Chief Marketing Officer

     
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    ah well, it was nice while it lasted
     
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    limoman

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    I have to be honest - I didn't read all 179 posts up to this point. But if you still have a need to link your Desktop Plus program to your TiVo account, this is the login process that works for me:

    Enter your email address in all caps. Then your password. If that doesn't work, enter the info and instead of clicking the NEXT button, keep hitting ENTER on the keyboard until it logs you in. Took about 6 or 7 ENTERS to work for me.

    Not sure if we still need to link to an account without Push ability, but at least this will log you on and link to your account.
     

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