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Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by petesweeps, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    This is why Push is better, because it's automated the moment something is downloaded. Plus I can't Pull from a TiVo mini.
     
  2. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    I don't know anything about Tablo, I'll have to read up. But what will you do for Live TV? Does Tablo use a cablecard from cable company?
     
  3. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    That's what I'm looking for now that I can't automate Pushes via pytivo anymore. Plex via TiVo to get downloaded content is a hassle and makes me deal with 2 environments, not one converge one.
     
  4. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    Agree
     
  5. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    You're all looking it from the viewpoint of what you do . That is the antithesis of objective.
     
  6. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    Huh?
     
  7. eherberg

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    I'm one of those wacky cordcutters - and did it before it got trendy. So I don't have to worry about cablecards. In fact - that's when I bought my first TiVo. I still wanted a DVR and cool guide - and I also needed a pretty high level of wife buy-in when we first dropped cable. TiVo Premiere had just been released and it seemed to tick both boxes. She's so used to online sources and OTA now - she wouldn't go back to cable for any incentive. We've both been pretty pleased in constructing the 'Cord Cutter's Paradise' in the last 6 - 7 years with TiVo being the centerpiece of that. So we're not thrilled about having to reconstruct things if changing to a Plex-centered system -- but we're also not going to stand for having to use manual recordings due to missing guide channels. I could live with losing push from pyTivo - but the guide data is simply non-negotiable. We both like the Plex interface - but the pain-in-ass of switching out hardware is something we would prefer not to do.

    And we still like TiVo. Up until very recently - we were completely happy. But I am not going to continue to invest in a service that doesn't provide it's primary offering (the data) for a main OTA channel. Especially when the previous provider in Gracenote did. Just as I was willing to give up cable when cost/benefit didn't provide enough value - so will that step be taken for TiVo. Posting month-after-month about dissatisfaction with a service while still using and paying month-after-month? Nope. Not for me. Decide what feature is something that is simply a must-have and what features I could live without if they never came back ... and then act accordingly.
     
  8. kbgators

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    So then what do you think you will change to?
    Again, I'll be testing Roku & Fire TV, with Sling and PS Vue.
     
  9. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    P.S. I have to have two live items: sports and foxnews. The rest can be ondemand
     
  10. Lurker1

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    Same here. We've been happy with TiVo for over 15 years, until this year. First strike was the pervasive audio dropouts on Netflix. We switched to Roku for Netflix. Second strike was the loss of push. We switched to pull (a poor substitute). Third strike was the screwed up program guide and missed recordings. What is next?

    (Oh, there was also the blue spinning circles which made it difficult to watch anything for a week.)
     
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  11. lpwcomp

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    John's...
    What started this particular discussion was the statement that Push was the "best" way to transfer content from a PC to TiVo and asking for advice on replacing this capability with other hardware. Try to keep up.

    Even before this major failure, push would sometimes fail if the mind server was having problems. And up until relatively recently, push got very little of the metadata and would not group with actual recording of the same series.

    Currently, pull is infinitely superior because it actually works and I see no real evidence that TiVo is actively working on a fix.
     
  12. eherberg

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    We're starting to veer wildly off-topic for this thread - so I'll summarize briefly and then go back to posting only about pyTivo in this thread. :)

    My hope is that I don't have to change to anything. Maybe my guide problem is fixed. If push never comes back, I can live with pull. I'll simply start the transfer right before watching and we will be fine. If missing guide problems aren't fixed - then I think we will move to a Plex system and a 'short-term/long-term' approach. I would prefer to have a single interface and would like to use the Plex DVR currently in beta. But live-TV is the missing piece. Although they have said they are interested in live-TV, that is not an acknowledgement that it will be coming (or is even being worked on). So - short-term solution is to use Plex with a cheap Iview/Mediasonic live TV filler. Gracenote guide data w/Plex DVR, so data issues fixed. The live TV portion is simply for football sunday's when i match up the video with my local radio-call stream. I'll use that short-term for a few months or so while getting a feel for the possibility of live-TV with the Plex DVR. It's so cheap, I don't mind using it as a throw-away system, and it's such a basic/featureless product, I can't give it serious long-term consideration anyway. If it appears that there is no movement towards a live-TV solution, then the Tablo will likely be the long-term solution. It still uses Gracenote data so my guide problems would be solved. I can pull recordings off the Tablo and place them into a Plex library for single-interface access. More work than I would be hoping for ... but a solution that we could live with. The ChannelMaster product uses Rovi as a guide source - so that is out of consideration. Plus - a long-term solution that involves waiting for a time when no recordings are being made so the hard drive can be pulled from the ChannelMaster DVR in order to transfer recordings is a non-starter for me right there.

    Hopefully - my must-have's get fixed w/TiVo. As it involves sub-grouping of channels in the insanely large DMA they have us in and the inclusion of Canadian channels they currently don't include -- I'm doubtful. But who knows? I at least will give them a fair chance of doing so. But if they don't - I'm not going to hang around complaining about it. I'll tag-out and support somebody else who does.
     
  13. lpwcomp

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    I still fail to see how the proposed alternatives are superior to pulling recordings to the TiVo.
     
  14. truegalbklyn

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    Finally got Py up and working and attempted to transfer a file from my computer to my TiVo and ended up with this message...

    I am assuming that is the problem everyone is having with no real solution?
     

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  15. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    The "solution" is to pull it to your TiVo.
     
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  16. truegalbklyn

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    Yes, that worked. TY very much. Hopefully TiVo is able to rectify whatever issue caused this problem with Desktop + and Py pushing. But this is a decent workaround for the time being. I thank you.
     
  17. cherry ghost

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    That's what I get initially, but after multiple attempts I eventually get

    Code:
    </debug><text>Deprecated Operation: bodyOfferModify</text></error>
     
  18. kbgators

    kbgators New Member

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    Again. 1. Can't pull from a mini 2. Programs like Sickbeard would AUTOMATICALLY PUSH to Tivo when a download was completed. These are huge reasons.
     
  19. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    John's...
    Again, how does that make the alternatives (Roku, etc) better?
     
  20. Dec 4, 2016 #160 of 182
    lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

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    San...
    With 3000+ videos and counting, pulls are just not a reasonable option. Even if the TiVo download display were decent - which it isn't, it still just wouldn't begin to compare to a properly managed database such as is offered by pyTivo Video Manager. Spending 10 minutes just to get to the video title I want to play is not reasonable. Add to that the fact the videos have to be transcoded when pulled, and it just doesn't fly.

    Let me ask you something, if you don't mind. 'No offense intended, at all, but you have had this big woody for the metadata transfer as long as this forum is around, and I just don't understand it one bit. Don't you know what you just transferred? If I want to know details about the video - and I often do, far more of such than the minuscule amount transferred by a pull, I almost always want to know before I transfer the video, not after, and in the fairly unusual event I do want to go back and look at something concerning a video, pulling up Video Manager is little more trouble than pulling up the info screen, as well as far more informative.

    In any case, unless something more positive happens, TiVo is done getting money from me. If it means cobbling together my own video client, then so be it. KODI (formerly XBMC) is open source. There's probably something there worthwhile. I haven't investigated because until now I was happy enough with TiVo.
     

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