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problems with simultaneous output from hdmi and component outputs after upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jackief, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. bunjicat

    bunjicat New Member

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    Well They got me on that one. I just installed a new mini to my slingbox today. My existing slingbox was connected to my master bedroom tivo mini. Once the software update the slingbox no longer worked for video, just audio.
    Got called out of the country and needed the Slingbox. So i disconnected the hdmi from the mini rebooted and used the sling for 2 weeks. Of course the wife was pissed. Enter the dedicated mini for the slingbox. Had I been motivated I could have used the component in and out on the slingbox and got rid of hdmi all together. Having a dedicated mini for the slingbox allowed greater flexibility.

    Tivo stream is really a useless POS. I attempted to use it a few times remotely but the DRM made it impossible to stream anything I had recorded.
    I dont have an ipad so until browser Tivo stream is implemented I am out.
     
  2. djk1940

    djk1940 New Member

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    I got lucky and was able to solve the problem by finding another ViewHD Two Input HDMI to RGB Component Converter with a 5.1 digital output....this one used. Add that to a OREI HD-102 HDMI Splitter and as far as Tivo is concerned, I'm not using component outputs from the Mini. One HDMI output goes to the primary TV, the other to the converter then to component outputs that could go to a Slingbox, but in my case, a 2nd TV. Both the converter and splitter were purchased through Amazon for less than the price of a Tivo Mini.

    The HDView converter has gotten good reviews, but is now not sold in the US, so I was lucky to find this used 2nd one. A converter that looks like and is described identically to the HDView is the HDfuryPro, but hasn't gotten as good reviews as the HDView; but the fury might be just as good if anyone else wants to try this approach....both my HDView models are now working perfectly for me. I also finally give up on the TiVo Sling and got a Slingbox that I'm also very happy with. If TiVo can't keep up, then it just doesn't seem wise to double one's investment in them.
     
  3. jackief

    jackief New Member

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    Well I couldn't convince the spouse on additional mini purchase so I went for component cable and also needed right angle connectors. Will hook up tv to slingbox output and see how that goes. Disconnecting the hdmi and reporting the mini was too much of a pain long term
     
  4. Alf Tanner

    Alf Tanner Tivo Dude

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    Mine works for outputting audio over RCA cables while the HDMI is connected to a TV using the AV cable from a creative zen vision M. The only difference is that you use red and yellow instead of red and white. The ouputs on the zen cable aren't exactly the same. It worked with video as well using the video output of the same cable.
     
  5. SrLANGuy

    SrLANGuy Member

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    Here's how I have my TiVo Mini connected:

    TiVo Mini --> HDMI --> Sony LCD TV
    TiVo Mini --> Component Video --> Slingbox 350​

    I finally discovered what causes the Component Video output on my TiVo Mini to die.

    If my TiVo Mini is outputting TV (Live or a Recorded Show) and I power on my TV, there is an HDMI handshake between the two and my Component Video output dies. The Component Video output stays this way until I restart my TiVo Mini.

    But if my TiVo Mini is at any menu, like "TiVo Central" or "My Shows", powering on the TV does NOT cause the Component Video to die. I'm not sure why the HDMI handshake doesn't cause a problem under these circumstances, but at least I know when it will happen. So for now, I just make sure to hit the TiVo button on my remote prior to powering on my TV.

    I really hope TiVo fixes this issue with a software update! (P-L-E-A-S-E)
     
  6. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    HDMI handshake issues are weird, complex and often are a result of how all of the pieces of equipment interact with each other. Here is an example that I had.

    I had a Cisco HD STB from WOW connected to an older Olevia tv via HDMI and to a Series 2 via S-Video. No problems at all. I moved that set-up to a new Insignia set in my bedroom and had all kinds of HDMI problems. I switched to Comcast and replaced the Cisco box with a Motorola HD STB and I have had no problems at all. So which piece of equipment was the problem? :confused:
     
  7. rorkin

    rorkin New Member

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    For what it is worth, I solved a sling box issue with drm in directv by using a powered hdmi switch.. I do not use it as a switch but the point is that it keeps power to the hdmi cable when TV is off . Without it no video feed to sling box on premium channels even with composite input. If handshaking is the problem perhaps this will maintain a previously established handshake.
     
  8. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The HDMI splitters can do the same thing.
     
  9. SrLANGuy

    SrLANGuy Member

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    It appears that the Summer Update (20.4.2) fixes this issue!

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

    With 20.4.1, if the TiVo was outputting Live TV when I powered on my Sony TV, the HDMI handshake would cause my component video to go out (which meant my Slingbox would lose video). To fix this, I would have to restart my TiVo Mini. But with 20.4.2, I cannot recreate the problem.

    I'm a very happy TiVo customer today!
     
  10. jackief

    jackief New Member

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    that's great news SrLANGuy. Another contributing factor is probably that I bought new component cables to eliminate the hdmi output from my mini. I decided not to do the priority update this time, but will have to see if I get the same results
     
  11. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Second data point:

    We are getting simultaneous HDMI and Component from a Mini with no issues on the Summer Update.

    Looks like this is fixed.
     
  12. tamnjudy

    tamnjudy New Member

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    Update not working for me. I have a Sling 350 attached to my mini via the component cables plus hdmi out (from the mini) to my monitor. Always get the no video error and pulling the hdmi is the only way to make it stop. I had hopes that the update made the correction but it did not. I've rebooted both machines and still no love. :mad:
     
  13. JStew

    JStew Member

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    I'm doing the same thing. It really sucks that we have to purchase a mini and pay the additional monthly fees just because we use slingboxes. I'll pay it, but I sure won't like it.
     
  14. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    That's what lifetime service is for. No additional monthly fees.
     
  15. compuguy

    compuguy The Computer Guy!

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    Still having this problem. Screen goes black on Singbox 350 when a tv show is started. Have to restart it nearly every time in order to get a picture.....

    Edit: yes the tivo roamio has the summer update.
     
  16. JPA2825

    JPA2825 New Member

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    Looking at buying Slingbox 350 or 500. Does this problem (simultaneous output from HDMI and component) still exist?
     
  17. hytekjosh

    hytekjosh Member

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    Same question!!
     
  18. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I have my 350 connected to a mini this way with no issues. I haven't tried it with my Roamio Plus but heard it works as well.
     
  19. hytekjosh

    hytekjosh Member

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    Tested, works no problem! Thank you
     
  20. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    The mini, plus/pro or both?
     

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