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problems with simultaneous output from hdmi and component outputs after upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jackief, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    This is not the issue with mine. On FiOS, HBO and Cinemax are copy protected. But I can view the channels from the SLingbox without issue. So far for me, when I've lost video to my slingbox, it has been after my XBOne rebooted from a software update.
    And the XBOne is getting it's Tv signal from my TiVo Mini.
     
  2. leiff

    leiff Member

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    I'm trying to determine a cause for the blank screen on component. To everyone else who is experiencing this- do you also have mini attached to a second TV via HDMI?
     
  3. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yes, one way to get it working for sure is disconnect HDMI connection and reboot the Mini. Following reboot you may be able to get both HDMI & component working simultaneously, but take 1 step at a time.
     
  4. leiff

    leiff Member

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    So far a reboot has worked to restore simultaneous connections for me every time. I havent tried unplugging hdmi yet.
     
  5. jackief

    jackief New Member

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    Just wanted to post that I am still having problems and gave given up trying things until we hear more from TiVo.
     
  6. bunjicat

    bunjicat New Member

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    I logged into my Slingbox for the first time since the update and had this problem. Slingbox would connect and say week signal or no signal. After reading this thread, I shut off the mini. disconnected the component cables from the mini (green and yellow plugs) restarted mini. Once mini was displayed on Tv (through hdmi) I plugged the tivo component cables back in and the video displayed on the Slingbox. I presume if the mini reboots I will have to go through the process again. Hope this helps someone.
     
  7. bunjicat

    bunjicat New Member

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    Spoke to soon. Apparently it only fixes it for a short period. I can here audio but it says "No Video Signal". Bummer. Anyone?
     
  8. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Since I disconnected HDMI output and just use component to Slingbox (and then pass through from there to TV) I've not had any problems. So it's HDMI related issue not surprisingly.
     
  9. mcabrew

    mcabrew New Member

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    Two thing I noticed on my setup hopefully this helps others:

    1) After reboot, both HDMI and Component work for Tivo menus, until I hit liveTV, then it drops component (both picture and sound).
    2) Reboot, watching liveTV on component, plug in HDMI, component drops.

    FYI: My set is a TV setup using component (but now composite since TV is used for the sound.) The second is a computer monitor using HDMI to DVI dongle to the monitors DVI input. It may be some changes in the HDMI handshake that my old monitor/mini doesn't handle. It worked fine before the spring update.

    Is there a way to revert the update back to previous rev?
     
  10. mcabrew

    mcabrew New Member

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    Follow up to my post, just thinking, it's my TV, not the Mini, that drops the audio when it doesn't have the matching component video. Audio works when I move it to composite and switch input.
     
  11. bunjicat

    bunjicat New Member

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    Here's the bad news from tivo. Guess we are sunk.


    Thank you for contacting TiVo Customer Support. I would be glad to help you with this. We don't recommend or support using two outputs at the same time, so it is surprising that worked up to this point. At this time we could not recommend any steps to get that working again. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause
     
  12. aaronwt

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    Mine works fine. When I had the Hava HD connected I had the HDMI output, component out, and the composite output all working. The only thing I needed to do was to split the audio output so I could go to the Hava HD and the DVD burner at the same time for audio. All three connections would work. Although to avoid any HDMI connections not permitted issues an active HDMI splitter is recommended.
     
  13. Time_Slip

    Time_Slip New Member

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    Simultaneous output worked for me the last 6 months (slingbox via component and tv via hdmi) but not now. If it worked before the update it can work again. Tivo acts like a startup company, not the top dog in the dvr world. They have an excuse for everything.
     
  14. jackief

    jackief New Member

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    Part of the reason I built out this section of our setup (new tv, mini, slingbox, and upcoming purchase of a connected device) was because I had confirmation from others that this setup would work. If TiVo is passing the buck and saying it was never supported, that give me a very disappointing view of them.

    Since I don't want to not use the HDMI connection to my TV, the best solution I can think of is to get an additional mini and use that exclusively with the slingbox.
     
  15. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    That's what I'm doing. My Mini was going unused for a long time, so bought a breakout cable and now use it exclusively to feed Slingbox, so it doesn't even connect to a TV anymore. It also means using Slingbox doesn't interfere with anyone else. Even now though, it doesn't get much use as I prefer to use TiVo Stream most of the time for OOH viewing, but it's good to have Slingbox as an option.
     
  16. djk1940

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    I've been using all 3 outputs on my TiVos for years to different TVs. It worked fine until recently on the TiVo Mini; now at random times I lose the component TVs and have to reboot the Mini for it to start working again for a few days. If the Mini had a digital sound output, I'd switch to using only the component; this situation certainly isn't up to the TiVo standards that I had grown to enjoy. I think I have now waited long enough....it is going to be a Slingbox rather than a TiVo Sling since I'm also an Android fan.

    TiVo: If HDMI and component now don't mix, then it should be easier for you to fix it, rather than retro-fit a digital sound output on the Mini!
     
  17. SrLANGuy

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    I have my TiVo Mini connected to my TV using HDMI. I bought the A/V Breakout Cable Kit just so I could also connect the TiVo Mini to my Slingbox using the component connections. Everything was working great!

    Then, 20.4.1 got installed on my TiVo Mini.

    After a few days, the component video goes out and the only way to get it working again is to restart the TiVo Mini.

    TiVo.......Please, please, please fix this!!!
     
  18. eboydog

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    I better hang on because what I'm about to suggest might stir up a few people, would I be out of place to suggest that the latest change could be a result of marketing rather than technical reasons?

    I made presented a similar argument to my cable company support people when in January they implemented copy restrictions of premium content which prevented the copying of recordings on the retail Tivo last January, all in the same month my cable company introduced their Tivo solution which of course doesn't allow Tivo to go capabilities and video importing. How easier to make their product more comparitive than to cripple the competitors despite it being based on the same companies product? Of course it was all legit under the guise of "copyright legality" but until my cable company presented their crippled Tivo solution, they didn't care what existing retail Tivo owners did.


    If we are to believe Tivo, they are preparing to introduce Android streaming capabilities in a couple months, how better to promote such by hindering a third party product like Slingbox by basicly requiring a separate Tivo box to attach you Slingbox rather than allowing it to piggyback on existing boxes already attached to TV? The Tivo Stream doesn't require separate Tivo to function, killing dual output on Tivo boxes levels the playing field in their favor.

    Seems that a lot of technical changes come about due to marketing reasons rather than technical enhancements. Mind you I have a Stream, I'm considering a slingbox if Tivo doesn't deliver a Android solution soon but such is complicated if dual AV outputs are disabled as until up to now they haven't been as I'm prepared at this time to buy an extra Mini just to supply a connection to a Slingbox.

    Pure speculation on my part but if what is said is true, I would like to see a response from Tivo on why this change has occurred to prove me wrong. I eventually was contacted by a rep with my cable company who while they wouldn't come out verbally and deny my claim, they basically confirmed that what I stated was true due as their gained knowledge of how Tivo functions worked once they had their own.
     
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    But it doesn't hinder third party streaming. The only issues I had was when my Mini was also connected to my XBOne. And then it had issues after each XBOne software update. Otherwise the component output to the Slingbox 350 was ok.

    Now I have a Mini dedicated to my Slingbox 350. WIth the XBOne not in the equation there are zero issues. Of course I also am not using the HDMI output or any displays with it either which also eliminate any potential HDCP issues.
     
  20. djk1940

    djk1940 New Member

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    I think you are exactly right and marketing is influencing a lot of technical decisions. A solution to my recent problem of supporting two nearby TVs with the same Mini would be to purchase a 2nd TiVo Mini, although I only purchased my first Mini because others reported all outputs worked.

    I recently gave in to the lack of component connections on new products like the Roku3 and replaced the perfectly good sound system where the Mini was connected with one that had HDMI inputs. However, on The TV where my TiVo Premiere is attached, I was able to purchase perhaps the last ViewHD available in the US that converts HDMI to Component and digital sound....I attached it to the Roku3 so I could use all component connections to that TV's and sound system. This ViewHD product is sold out of California and available to other countries, but now not allowed to be sold in the US. If I end up with a Slingbox instead of a TiVo Sling, it should work perfectly well with my all Component TV connections....that is until TiVo or some other product stops supporting component connections and I have to purchase another sound system.
     

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