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problems with simultaneous output from hdmi and component outputs after upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by jackief, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. Apr 5, 2014 #1 of 63
    jackief

    jackief New Member

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    Title says it all. I have the hdmi output going to my tv, and the mini breakout cables going to slingbox. All worked well until the recent software update. Now I am having problems with both outputs being active together. The tv works and the slingbox doesn't, if I reboot and unplug hdmi I get the slingbox video signal.

    I have posted this in the upgrade release notes thread in the roamio forum but haven't heard of others having issues. Any reports of this working, or of problems appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  2. Apr 5, 2014 #2 of 63
    moyekj

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    I also posted in the other thread that I'm seeing same problem with my Mini with 20.4.1. I think there's 2 bugs here:
    1. simultaneous output of HDMI + component doesn't work
    2. Switching outputs even when only 1 is used at a time requires a reboot

    I suspect since component requires additional breakout cables that it is seldom used by anyone and not heavily tested by TiVo.
     
  3. Apr 5, 2014 #3 of 63
    jackief

    jackief New Member

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    thanks for the confirmation moyekj. Since TiVoMargaret is monitoring the other thread, I'll keep an eye out over there for further updates.
     
  4. Apr 5, 2014 #4 of 63
    magnoman99

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    I'm having the exact same issue with component and HDMI.

    I have an older Sony HDTV that was having HDMI issues with the Mini where the Mini would randomly reboot or the screen go dark so I started using component cables for video and feeding my Sony audio receiver with HDMI for the digital audio. This was working great.

    This morning I could no longer play back any of my programs on my setup. Upon playing a program the TV screen would go black like there was no input on the component cables and the audio would continue in the background. If I unplugged the HDMI I could play back the video fine but of course there is no audio. If I plug the HDMI back into the Mini while the video is playing the video will freeze and/or become choppy and the audio never comes up.

    I tried rebooting the Mini about 4 or 5 times and the behavior is reproducible.

    Luckily I've gone back to using just HDMI instead and that has been working great so far.
     
  5. Apr 5, 2014 #5 of 63
    mcabrew

    mcabrew New Member

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    Same thing here.
    Two weeks with romeo plus and 3 minis. Lots of problems (different hangs on minis) so far.
    I have one mini set up with both HDMI and component, after update today or last night, component has not been working most of the time. One reboot it started working then dropped, next reboot nothing.
     
  6. Apr 6, 2014 #6 of 63
    aaronwt

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    My mini that I have connected to a sling box is still working with component out and HDMI out after the update.
     
  7. Apr 6, 2014 #7 of 63
    Pejota

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    Same here.
     
  8. Apr 6, 2014 #8 of 63
    Mgalin

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    ON my PRO, the update was making it act finicky with HDMI + Component. (With my Slingbox).. As long as the TV was powered up and rebooted Roamio, don't have the NOT SUPPORTED HDMI issues.. I think the Tivo code needs work... Think it's a not well tested implementation of HDCP..
     
  9. Apr 6, 2014 #9 of 63
    Mgalin

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    ON my Roamio PRO, the update was making it act finicky with HDMI + Component. (With my Slingbox).. As long as the TV was powered up and rebooted Roamio, don't have the NOT SUPPORTED HDMI issues.. I think the Tivo code needs work... Think it's a not well tested implementation of HDCP..
     
  10. jackief

    jackief New Member

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    Thanks for all the reports I'm glad it is working for some. I'm waiting to see if they push anything else out before trying some more
     
  11. jaredmwright

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    Put me as another user with a Roamio Pro and Slingbox with audio only after the latest update. I get audio, but black screen for video. This works flawlessly with my Elite XL4 and Roamio up until this update. I verified by moving my Slingbox over to DirecTV and it works fine. Timing and issue is 100% related to the latest software update.

    If anyone has any work arounds, I would love to hear them to try out.

    UPDATE: On a strange whim, I rebooted the Slingbox and I was able to get video over component to my Slingbox 350 while HDMI was connected to my receiver in use and while my receiver was on another input. Not sure if the Slingbox was in a bad state from a resolution that caused an issue, but it is working for now. Will update again with any changes.
     
  12. jackief

    jackief New Member

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    interesting Jared. I have not tried rebooting the slingbox, I'll give that a try and report my outcome. Thanks for the idea.
     
  13. jackief

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    I think I am back in business!

    A reboot of the slingbox didn't fix the problem, but after that I rebooted the mini. Watched the startup sequence on tv and browser via sling simultaneously, and has been working ever since. I want my kids who access the sling to try it before pronouncing it 100% resolved.
     
  14. aaronwt

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    I ran into this issue this morning. It had been fine previously. but the only thing that changed was an update to the XBOne in that room. I output from my Mini, into a 1x2 HDMI splitter. One output goes to my XBOne and the other goes straight to my receiver. While the component outs go to the Slingbox 350.

    After my XBOne updated, my Slingbox video went out on my tablet. I have no idea why though. I rebooted the Mini and it came back. My Slingbox has been up for many months. if it's been rebooted recently it would have been from a software update. Otherwise it's always just sat there on. And always worked for me since I got the Singbox 350 at launch in 2012.
     
  15. leiff

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    I've had to reboot my mini daily because of this black screen problem from component video out since update.
     
  16. aaronwt

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    I have not run into the issue again. At least not yet. I've been checking the SLingbox remote viewing every day as well as viewing my Mini through an XBOne. Viewing from both outputs(HDMI and component) has been fine since I did that one reboot.
     
  17. aaronwt

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    This just happened to me again today. i have no idea why it's been fine for several days and now there is an issue where it shows "Weak or no Video signal". I guess I'll trying removing the HDMI splitter I hhave installed. I guess that could somehow be affecting the Component output. No idea though. But the issue only arose after an XBOne update earlier this week. But come to think of it I had another update on the XBOne recently. So maybe that was some how the cause again.
     
  18. leiff

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    sounds like your problem is different then mine? My problem arises when component out video only shows black screen while audio continues normally. Requires reboot to fix. Happens daily. Will tivo swap out my mini if i ask? seems strange update broke my mini but everyone else works fine. I have to say I love the included ability to use Comcast on demand simultaneously in multiple rooms since update and I no longer get error messages when using on demand ;prior to update on demand was frequently giving error messages.
     
  19. aaronwt

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    That is what happpens with mine. The component out video goes black while audio is fine. But so far, the two times it has happened, was after my XBOne updated.
     
  20. markfheil

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    This is happening with my Mini as well (hooked up to a SlingBox with the Component cables). It looks like Tivo has been forced to implement this as a copy protection scheme. Ti only turns on when you watch a channel that has copy protection turned on (AMC for example, they are the same channels that don't let you copy shows onto your PC with Tivo Desktop). Unfortunately, once you tune into a channel that does that, it doesn't revert to normal for other channels and you have to reboot the Tivo.

    I saw the same thing with a Comcast DVR, that was set to not allow any video signal through Composite/component when the HDMI was active.
     

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