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Premiere Elite performance enhancements

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by brentil, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. ig88

    ig88 New Member

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    Really appreciate you posting this.

    I have to say, it doesn't really look faster than my Premiere.

    I am surprised at all of the earlier reports of faster performance on the Elite. Other than the boot time, I'm just not seeing it.

    I can't believe they made the decision to build the Premiere interface on Flash...

    You know what, I'll even give them that one. Maybe it makes it easier to find developers (not necessarily good ones), and maybe it makes it easier to hook into Internet content.

    But, once they made that decision, they should have paired it with the decision to give it hardware (and caching) that can make the interface smooth.

    I might just sit this one out and wait for the Series 5...

    In 2011 (almost 2012) there is just NO excuse for lag in a menu-driven interface.
     
  2. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    I will try to create a side-by-side comparison this week. I think there are some subtle speed improvements. I really notice it when I bounce between the Premiere in my bedroom and the Elite in the living room.

    As far as the ongoing Flash debate I think TiVo understands the root cause of the sluggishness and it will be significantly improved once they release the 16.x software. I look at this recent VM release as an example of the kind of speed that we can expect on the new release --> http://vmhd.blogspot.com/2011/10/new-tivo-upgrade-in-action-video.html
     
  3. ig88

    ig88 New Member

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    Fair enough.

    Wow. No that's what I'm talking about!

    Thanks for sharing!

    Some really significant improvements there - still some pauses, but at least not on the main, constantly-used menus.

    I wonder how the hardware of that box compares to ours - although the fact that they are highlighting the speed improvements implies that speed was an issue on their hardware in previous releases.

    Strange that a partner gets newer software than their (supposed/assumed) core customers? (out of country even - seems downright un-American!)

    PS I love how he pronounces router as "rooter".
     
  4. sbiller

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    I haven't seen a lot of discussion on the hardware attributes of the Cisco 8485DVB set-top box being used by Virgin Media and Ono. It appears that the processor is not significantly faster than the processor in the Premiere platform. Cisco data sheets indicate that the processor is a, "Powerful 32-bit RISC Processor" enabling "Fast CPU (300 MHz) delivers quick tuning changes and on-screen response times." I believe the Premiere is using a 400 MHz processor.

    I think we can be optimistic that the performance improvements that we see in the VMED 15.2 video can be expected in the US boxes when 16.x is released. RCN alluded to significantly improved performance on the Premiere in 2012 in a discussion on dslreports.

    As far as "core customers", Virgin Media can be considered TiVo's flagship MSO customer in Europe and probably the world. I think their happiness is TiVo's number one concern especially since they are now installing about 1 DVR per minute to VMED customers.

    ~Sam
     
  5. brentil

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    I really think the v16 software will be where we finally see improvements. The enabling of the multiple cores finally will allow a lot of performance tuning in the various aspects of the TiVo OS to run better on it. As well if an updated version of Flash was used like AIR or something else it would allow a lot more functionality as well as multi-threading of applications built within it.

    The v14.9 is the first significant update in a while for the S4 devices and I really believe this is because they've been busy working on the VM devices and the future v16 interface.
     
  6. plazman30

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    That drive is out of stock everywhere.
     
  7. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I agree with what you said, except I want to still point out that in the video of the VM machine, the exact same UI design flaws were present- forcing the loading of live Internet-queried information every time you try to display or scroll through certain stuff. Unfortunately, no amount of CPU or threading will remove those delays. It can be "better", but I fear it will never be as responsive as the SDUI is (because the SDUI does NOT load anything live).
     
  8. jfh3

    jfh3 New Member

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    Agreed. No amount of CPU power can compensate for an idiotic design flaw.
     
  9. morac

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    It's not the forced loading of info that's the problem. It's preventing user action until said info has loaded that's the problem. If the program info loaded in the background and didn't stop user input then there would be no noticeable performance problems, unless you wanted to look at said live data.
     
  10. ig88

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    Right.

    Although I can't off-hand think of any software that has info loaded (even extra-background stuff) that doesn't still get in the way and slow down user responsiveness. Maybe web browsers, but even then, not always.
     
  11. ig88

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    And another thing regarding the new hardware:

    What's with charging $90 for a wireless adapter?

    In addition to the over pricing, its another thing to plug in, more component clutter, more cables...

    For $2 they could put a wifi chip in there.

    They pulled out the over the air and SD tuners, etc.

    Yes they added two tuners, but, still, it feels like we are being taken advantage of, and it just seems like crazy design...


    (I am sure there will be those that say it is to encourage us to use Ethernet, and the new MoCA stuff, but still I have to believe the vast majority are using WiFi...)
     
  12. crxssi

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    Yes, I will concede that to you. But it will still make for very annoying things delayed-popping up in places. I would prefer to not only have no delays, but also have everything appear at the same time. Not that I am demanding or anything :)
     
  13. aaronwt

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    It's really a media Bridge that works with the TiVo. The money would be better spent getting another type of media bridge that can also work with several devices. I use the Dlink DAP1522 units. They are under $70 now and can be used as an access point or a bridge(I use several in AP mode and several in Bridge mode) It has gigabit ports and with a device like a laptop with gigabit ethernet I have no problem getting 100Mb/s+ speeds. When the Premiere is plugged into it, speeds are identical to connecting to a wired network.

    Anyway the point is there are much better and more practical options than the wireless N adapter that TiVo sells.
     
  14. mattack

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    I admit I don't know if they're as fast as the one you're talking about, but there are other routers way cheaper than that that can be used as bridges. Unfortunately one of the buffalo ones I bought, I had to buy 2 (since it only worked as a bridge with its own unit), but at that time I was in a rush to get something that worked..

    other times there are Fry's routers that are $20 that can have dd-wrt installed.
     
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    ig88

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    Here's the thing - in addition to slowing down the interface, the salt in the wound is that I don't event want the crap in the first place!:
    It is absolutely ZERO value to me, it's just garbage noise.

    And in addition to slowing down the interface, consuming bandwidth on my home network and ISP, it also consumes screen realestate that could be used for what I really want – showing me more of MY content at once!
     
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    ig88

    ig88 New Member

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    I'm not sure you get it.

    My mom and my neighbors aren't going to do that. Heck, I'm not even going to do it.

    They want Wifi.
    They want it built in.
    They don't want to have to sit in the store after agonizing over whether they should buy a TiVo or not, and then be told, oh yeah, you have to buy this other $70 piece if you want to anything we just told you about.

    Also, you kind of make my point for me when you indicate you can get an entire AP/Router/Bridge for the same $70 that TiVo wants for their wireless connectivity.
     
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    aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    If someone is agonizing over the decision of buying a TiVo, then I don't think they should even be buying one. Buying a TiVo should be an easy decision not an agonizing one.
     
  18. Nov 1, 2011 #158 of 234
    brentil

    brentil New Member

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    I would agree with that back in the S1 & S2 days. However the S3 & S4 value versus cable company boxes is slowly dwindling especially with addon devices like a Roku, BluRay/Xbox/PS3 that does content along with added features like a Roku, Apple/Google TV. There are too many devices a TiVo competes with to still have the absolutely abysmal performance the interface has now along with lacking features. If you want Jack & Jill to replace their cable box it has to be simple and affordable without hidden costs and thanks to clunky UI, cable cards/SDV, and addons like the WiFi dongles TiVo fails at both of those. Ever since I got my first S3 I've debated every time if I want to continue using a TiVo or go back to the cable company's horrible DVRs something happens.
     
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    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    You are just talking about the discovery bar on the top. Yes, that is the #1 hatred of most users. But I am talking about not only, but everything else that is live-queried. One such example is the show graphic. Another are the icons representing if it is available on Netflix, Hulu, whatever.
     
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    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I would never want to use WiFi with a TiVo. But I agree with you 100%. It would cost them maybe $5 to have added WiFi as a standard component. And probably 50% of people would benefit from it. It is too late for Series 4, so we are just complaining. But Series 5 should absolutely include WiFi G/N *AND* hard wired Gigabit (along with MoCo, or whatever it is called).
     

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