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Premiere Elite performance enhancements

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by brentil, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. Oct 11, 2011 #61 of 234
    MichaelK

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    some of the S1's had the spots on the motherboard to add more chips. If I recall some soldered on the required chips and were able to get tivo to recognize the added memory. But the discussion at the time was tivo had to include the code for X or Y in memory so you couldn't just toss on Z and it wold work.

    So likely the premier and elite are built to deal with just 512 and even if you could physically add more the tivo would only use the 512.
     
  2. Oct 11, 2011 #62 of 234
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    What is? The Elite? It is a Series 4 Premiere... nearly the same as the other Series 4 Premiere. Seems like the right forum to me.

    I find the thread fascinating...
     
  3. Oct 11, 2011 #63 of 234
    brentil

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    I think they posted something in the wrong forum and then edited it instead of deleting it.
     
  4. Oct 11, 2011 #64 of 234
    danjw1

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    Tivo runs linux, that isn't as memory hungry as Windows. 512MB system memory seems to be fine, since people are saying the Elite is preforming much better then the Premiere, with essentially the same hardware.
     
  5. Oct 11, 2011 #65 of 234
    crxssi

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    That is the understatement of the year :) Plus, just as importantly, it is an embedded system, so there is an extremely short/narrow list of apps running.

    The Elite is "the Premiere" :)

    I see this is going to cause endless terminology issues. I propose we call the Non-Elite Premiere the "NE Premiere" or "OG Premiere" (Original Premiere). The NE Premiere and NE Premiere XL are absolutely identical in every way except hard drive size, so they are both "NE Premiere", essentially.

    Anyway, as far as memory variation (which we all now know: there is none in the series 4)... The Elite is, afterall, still a series 4. TiVo seems to have a hard enough time fixing bugs and making updates available without having systems with too many varying specs. I am very confident they are going to push the same build of "firmware" (Linux OS, UI, etc) to all the series 4's, just with a few drivers not activated or swapped, and a few settings changed, depending on the model it lands on. Varying things like available memory, number of cores, speed or features of processor, etc, would make such a distribution model much more complicate.

    As far as any other changes, I am actually shocked they bothered with MoCA; there are so many other things I would add before something like that (I won't list them all). I don't know ANYONE that uses or plans to use MoCA.
     
  6. Oct 11, 2011 #66 of 234
    ADG

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    I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but one great feature on the S3's that has not been carried forward to any of the new systems is the title of the program(s) being recorded on the front display. I'll probably replace one of my S3's with an Elite, but I know I'll miss that feature.
     
  7. Oct 11, 2011 #67 of 234
    brentil

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    In terms of MoCA the only justification I can really see for it is the cable companies whined about it not being there enough that they added it. Unless there really are enough households without wired networks and including WiFi N was too expensive comparatively.
     
  8. Oct 11, 2011 #68 of 234
    crxssi

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    The Premiere Elite is a series 4... in most respects it is identical to NE Premiere. That type of change would be worthy of a series 5, but I have a whole laundry list of things far more important... starting with integrated tuning adapter, user removable hard drive, removable flash storage of settings (and maybe even OS), Gigabit, etc....
     
  9. Oct 11, 2011 #69 of 234
    socrplyr

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    Most households are not wired with CAT5/6 and WiFi (even N) is not reliable enough to prevent support calls. Now it was definitely a requirement for the cable operators for their version to have MoCA (it allows them to be reliant on only a single infrastructure). You can argue whether a retail box (not just copied from the MSO one) would have had MoCA. I believe if Tivo is serious at all about MRS being a successful addition (sells more boxes and doesn't increase support costs), then it needed to have MoCA. I am betting that any future Tivos will include MoCA.
     
  10. Oct 11, 2011 #70 of 234
    moyekj

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    Why is that shocking? The original intent for the Elite was to sell to cable companies as a whole home DVR solution, so MoCA was basically required.

    Also there are plenty of people in this very forum already using MoCA bridges with Series 3 & Series 4 TiVos, me included. BKDTV and others are who clued me into it in the first place. It's very convenient for those that don't have ethernet wired throughout the house but do have coax going everywhere and works a lot more reliably than any wireless solution.
     
  11. Oct 11, 2011 #71 of 234
    ghuido

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    Not to hijack the thread but what are you using as your MOCA Bridge.
     
  12. Oct 11, 2011 #72 of 234
    moyekj

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    Motorola NIM100. They were in 1st generation FIOS deployments and you could only buy them on Ebay, not through normal retail channels. I've been using them for many years now (I have 3).
     
  13. Oct 11, 2011 #73 of 234
    socrplyr

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    Heh, after reading your post, I realized something that people are missing. For people with multiple Tivos that want to do MRS, they don't need to choose what networking tech they will use with the Elite. It will just work... That is what MoCA is intended to do. There is no CHOOSING, both sides already have it. No one is suggesting that people use MoCA to connect all their networked devices... (Although for some it might be convenient...)
     
  14. Oct 11, 2011 #74 of 234
    brentil

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    And that's what the 7-port switch device lets it do. It also allows you to aggregate more data between devices at any given time. Ethernet to S3 devices for MRV, Ethernet to non-Elite S4 devices, and Ethernet(and/or)MoCA to other Elite devices in any combination.
     
  15. Oct 11, 2011 #75 of 234
    jfh3

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    OK, I'm confused. Does this mean that if I am using MoCA on an Elite and also connect the Ethernet port to a switch/router that I can achieve a greater throughput (say for Elite to Elite transfer) than just using Ethernet alone?
     
  16. Oct 11, 2011 #76 of 234
    MichaelK

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    on the memory-I'm sure that 512 is enough. But a 250gb drive gets the job done too but not as good as a 320, 500 or 1 or 2TB.

    For like 38 cents more (ok exaggerating) tivo could put more memory in the things and things would be faster. They would be able to cache that much more of the database and all the graphics and everything else in the new UI.

    remember the cachecard for the series 1's? If I recall way back then (I'll guess 8 years?)- someone took the time to build hardware with - if i remember correctly 512 megs. That was the "right size" to cache the series 1 to speed it up. I've got to imagine the newer UI could use even more than that.

    It is probably dumb at this point to make a series 4.5 have more than a series 4. But they should have sucked it up and put a gig in everything from day one. I know I know they lose money on each box- but sometimes it's just painful how slow it does things and that has to have some effect over time on sales.
     
  17. Oct 11, 2011 #77 of 234
    brentil

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    I don't think it'll connect to the same machine via MoCA & Ethernet at the same time but you can connect to a TiVo via Ethernet & another via MoCA and transfer between the two at the maximum rate of the medium being transfered on. Or if your Elite is connected via 1G you could technically feed multiple 100 MB connections and MoCA at the same time. The Elite is defintely designed to provide multiple feeds at once.
     
  18. Oct 11, 2011 #78 of 234
    mattack

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    I never had one, but I think the major (or only?) thing it sped up is the time to get back to the Now Playing list.. (which is ~15 seconds or so.. I still use my S1 as an analog backup recorder, esp as my TivoHD is dying)
     
  19. Oct 11, 2011 #79 of 234
    crxssi

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    Exactly. I didn't think about it that way either until reading moyekj's posting (mostly because I only have, and will only ever have, a single TiVo). Seems to make perfect sense now.
     
  20. Oct 11, 2011 #80 of 234
    crxssi

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    See the other thread... it is unlikely TiVo would do much, to what is still the series 4, that would change compatibility of their OS image.

    The cachecard was a hard drive cache, not main RAM. Linux will already effectively cache the hard drive as needed- plus hard drives of today already contain much, much larger caches and have a much faster throughput. I don't think the slow HDUI would benefit much from increased hard drive speed, anyway. That is not where it is "stuck" (it is with CPU and with a bad overall design that depends on live internet downloaded objects).
     

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