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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. CoxInPHX

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    What was the Make and Model# of the original 320GB?

    WD AV-GP WD3200AVVS?
     
  2. jmbach

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    Perhaps not. Many posts about the WD20EURS and disabling the head parking feature resolving some issues people were having with the drive,

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
     
  3. DM3MD157

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    The original drive is a Western Digital WD3200AVVS - Green Power
     
  4. socalhdtv

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    Overall, a very good experience.

    * 1st attempt at copying the original drive from the Premiere died part-way through.
    * Then was a bit finicky in recognizing the drives.
    * 2nd attempt went smoothly. Took about 3.5 hours over USB on an iMac.
    * Reboot of TiVo went great. Using 11% or so of the new 2TB.

    In my experience, the EURS did NOT need wdidle set-up.

    Thanks all for the help!
     
  5. DM3MD157

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    Been using it for a couple hours now and it seems to be working fine with no issues. If it were to give me problems, what should I look for? Given this is a 7200 RPM drive and will generate more heat, what are the drawbacks?

    I used this drive because I had it at my disposal, I could buy the Western Digital 20EURS drive if I really need to. Since I am a N00B I don't know what I should do!
     
  6. lessd

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    I have been using 7200 RPM drives for years without any problems, the advantage of the AV drives is the low error correction so one might expect to get less picture breakup over time, I have not ever noticed any problems with non AV drives, some have run for years.
     
  7. CoxInPHX

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    Was the HDD previously used in another device? How old is the HDD and did it already have many hours of use. If so, I would say to get a new WD20EURS. If it was relatively new and unused, I'd just stay with it. Watch the MBT: temp in System Info above ~50°C, I would be concerned.
     
  8. DM3MD157

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    The hard drive had minimal use. I can keep an eye on the temps, is that info located in the system menu? Is the only risk of running this drive a HD failure? Or can it break the motherboard or power supply?
     
  9. unitron

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    The drive shouldn't damage either any more than any other drive, but if I were in your position, and had the extra $100 to spare (always a consideration), I'd get the EURS, do a byte for byte copy to it from the 2TB Seagate, and re-purpose the Seagate as a computer drive where you relocate the TiVo Desktop program's My TiVo Recordings folder after formatting that Seagate as one big NTFS partition.

    That's assuming you have a Windows PC.

    Otherwise, if you're a Mac person, I would think that you could put the drive in an external USB case, or in a NAS box, and still store copied TiVo shows on it (if not copyprotected by your cable company).

    Messages and Settings > Account and System Information > System Information should show you the temp.

    Just be careful when the Sys Info screen is showing if you have more than one TiVo (or have a Philips/Magnavox VCR or DirecTV receiver) in the house, as that's the screen that makes the TiVo vulnerable to a change of remote control address.
     
  10. ggieseke

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    FWIW, I have 3 of those drives in my desktop PC and they run at about 95F (35C). Cool, quiet, reliable.
     
  11. unitron

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    Are you talking about the Seagate or the WD?
     
  12. sean584995

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    Hi, My tivo's model is TCD746320 Premiere.
    can i use the WD20EURS 2TB to upgrade my tivo? Sorry, the FAQ doesn't mention my tivo's model #. Thanks.
     
  13. unitron

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    Considering that lots of other people have already done so successfully, I'd say grab one while they're still only $100 and make yourself a copy of the jmfs cd and go read the beginning of this thread.
     
  14. sean584995

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    Thank you so much. I've ordered the drive. Will attempt to upgrade following the instructions. I've seen the forum very helpful in answering questions - hopefully, there will be someone to help me upgrade in case I need help. Thanks again!!
     
  15. unitron

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    If you're going to use a PC to do it, make sure it doesn't have a GigaByte brand motherboard. If it does, post back and we'll figure out a workaround.
     
  16. sean584995

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    Thanks. Instructions seem to indicate that the TIVO drive and the new WD drive need to be connected to a laptop(in my case) at the *same time* and boot from the CD. Does it mean I need 2 cables of USB to SATA so I connect my laptop to the 2 drives simultaneously??? I found this on Amazon:*** SATA/PATA/IDE Drive to USB 2.0 Adapter Converter Cable for 2.5/3.5 Inch Hard Drive / Optical Drive with External AC Power Adapter***. Is that what is needed. Is there another alternative. Please advise.
     
  17. unitron

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    Let me begin by saying DO NOT RE-USE YOUR PREMIERE'S ORIGINAL DRIVE.

    After successfully copying it to another drive, put it on the shelf for safekeeping.

    You will have to have both the Premiere's original drive and the new one connected to the same computer at the same time in some way.

    I've never had to use one of those things you're talking about because I always had the side off of a PC case and could get to the motherboard drive ports directly.

    Searching Amazon for that phrase returns listings for several different very similar products, all of which probably should work, if they don't send you bad ones, but I don't have any direct experience with any of them.

    You should read the reviews and find where someone has had success with a 2TB or larger drive, because some of the chipsets, for some reason, can only handle smaller ones.

    Another possibility to consider is using external hard drive enclosures.

    That way, you can put some other drives in them when you're done for extra storage space.

    But again, check reviews to make sure it'll handle 2TB or more drives. Several of them seem to limited to 1TB.

    newegg has some external cases on sale right now, I can forward the email with the discount codes if you like, you should be able to click on my user name to the left and email me via this site, or send it directly to me at coastalnet.com where I'm the same user name as I am here.


    There are some USB/hard drive thingies that have slots for drives to be put in like toast slices, but only one USB connector. I'm pretty sure I''ve seen people around here saying they won't work because you can only access one of the drives at the time.

    The alternative to having both drives connected to your laptop at the same time is to have them connected to someone's desktop PC or Mac at the same time.

    It's times like these that having richsadams around really came in handy--he already knew all of this stuff from experience.
     
  18. ggieseke

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    The Seagate ST32000641AS.
     
  19. sean584995

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    I do have access to a PC at work which I should be able to use for this if it makes it easier. I think most PCs have provision to connect another slave/hard drive internerally (in addition to the main drive) using the sata cable. So, do you think it will work if I 'remove' the existing 'main' drive from PC, connect the original TIVO drive AND the new 2TB drive to this PC, boot it up using the JMFS live CD and follow the prompts?? Once I'm done with my job, remove both the drives and I put back the main drive into the PC. Anything wrong with what I'm saying?? Please advise. Thanks.
     
  20. unitron

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    If you're going to use a PC at work, make sure it doesn't have a GigaByte brand motherboard and that you can open it up without getting fired.

    (If it does have a GigaByte board, there are precautions to be taken)

    You should disconnect the SATA data cable from the work PC's hard drive to protect it from any "ooopsies", and you can use it and the power cable for one of the drives. You shouldn't actually remove the drive, just disconnect the cables and do the work with your 2 hard drives lying on the table next to the open case and an armed guard nearby to keep everyone else away from it.

    You'll need a power and data cable for the other one, and you can't use the CD or DVD drive's, because you have to use it to boot from the jmfs cd.

    The PC may have unused power connectors, but very likely won't have an unused SATA data cable inside, even if it has an unused SATA header on the motherboard.

    So basically you're going to need to open it up and see what you've got to work with one day and then maybe do the actual work the next after picking up some cables.

    What you could possibly do is hook up one drive with the cables the PC's drive uses and hook up the other drive via some sort of USB connection, depending on what you get your hands on.

    If it's a "brand" PC, like Dell, Compaq/HP, etc, it won't have a GigaByte board, but if it was put together at a screwdriver shop it might. If it does, the first hard drive it "sees" when it first boots up, almost certainly the one it boots from that has Windows on it, will have to remain connected to keep the board from trying to put a Host Protected Area on any other hard drive that gets attached. It does this to have a place to put some sort of backup on, but it does it without warning or notice and there's no way to turn it off in the BIOS settings. This will either screw up an already formatted drive, or steal space at the end of an unformatted one.

    Also you need to go into the BIOS and make sure it's set to boot from cd before it boots from a hard drive, and if it's not you need to remember to change it back to the way it was when you're done.
     

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