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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Nov 2, 2012 #1801 of 2843
    milo99

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    and everything went through with no hitches this morning.. put the 1Tb drive in the premiere, booted up, and all is well.

    seriously... although in due time, we may see another version of WinMFS that does this within a Windows boot and works with newer bioses, who knows.

    Not that Comer's tool isn't fantastic - it is. But i'm guessing some others won't have an older pc sitting around so they won't be able to take advantage of it.

    in any case, thanks to Comer for the tool! ...man, i love this forum. it really is what the internet community is all about (in my eyes anyway). :D
     
  2. Nov 2, 2012 #1802 of 2843
    joesebastian

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    I would like to try the virtual image tool TIVO2VHD as I would like to backup my virgin S4 drive. I cannot PM you as I have less than 10 posts.

    Thanks
    Joe
     
  3. Nov 3, 2012 #1803 of 2843
    unitron

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    A quick argument with some of the guys here should fix that in no time.

    :D

    I'll even start the argument. It's actually supposed to be "fewer than", not "less than".
     
  4. Nov 3, 2012 #1804 of 2843
    ggieseke

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    PM sent.

    Sorry it took so long to answer. I have spent the last few days re-writing it to use its own VHD code so that it would run on XP as well as Windows 7. I had to work this morning and it took me a while to finish and test both programs this afternoon.

    The Windows 7 versions have proven successful at backing up a virgin TCD746320 drive to a reasonably sized image (about 3.5GB before zip) and restoring it to a new drive. THANKS retiredqwest! I have only run each of the new versions once, so let me know if there are any problems.

    There are 2 programs - TiVo2VHD and VHD2TiVo. Right now both of them are command-line programs without a UI. The command-line parameters are as follows...

    TiVo2VHD or VHD2TiVo without any options lists the drives connected to your computer. On my PC it spits out

    \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE0=1862.94GB MARVELL Raid VD 0 SCSI Disk Device (S/N:15e0000015e00010)
    \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE1=3725.88GB MARVELL Raid VD 1 SCSI Disk Device (S/N:5a3000005a301050)
    \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE2=74.53GB WDC WD80 0BB-55JKC0 USB Device (S/N:▼)

    The ancient drive I'm testing with is the 80GB WD, so to back it up I would take the drive number from "\\.\PHYSICALDRIVE2" and enter

    TiVo2VHD 2 C:\Test.vhd

    and to restore it I would enter

    VHD2TiVo C:\Test.vhd 2

    The "2" is the physical drive number. Disk Manager will see it the same, but it tries to initialize any drive that doesn't already have a Windows signature. I figured that it was safer to be able to list the drives without going into Disk Manager at all.

    The "C:\Test.vhd" is the path to the file you want to use. It can be anything you like as long as it's a valid file path.

    If it works out, get your post count up and we'll figure out a way to get a copy of your image to me. I'm hoping to get a clean image of every Premiere model and set up an FTP site with all of them.

    P.S. Be DANG careful with VHD2TiVo. Run it without any parameters to get the list of drives and don't make any typos when you run it for real. It will happily wipe your computer if you give it the wrong drive number. :D
     
  5. Nov 5, 2012 #1805 of 2843
    joesebastian

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    @ggieseke - Thanks for the PM and instructions in your post.
     
  6. Nov 8, 2012 #1806 of 2843
    blackduck08

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    Please help. I installed jmfs on a CD-rom (with nero image), and when I try to load, I see the first two lines (for example, ......) then afterwards the screen goes black.

    So the program does not want to load.

    I am trying to copy my failing 320 GB drive to my new WD 2GB drive.

    Please help.
     
  7. Nov 8, 2012 #1807 of 2843
    unitron

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    Perhaps just a bad download or bad burn.

    What kind of PC are you using and how old?


    (might need to change something in the BIOS IDE settings)
     
  8. Nov 8, 2012 #1808 of 2843
    blackduck08

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    Actually its a fairly new computer. The motherboard and comp is one year old. Also i downloaded program twice and did the iso image burn twice. Since I was running ssd, I did go to the bios to change mode back to IDE. It should be noted that when the screen does go black I see the DVD-rom lights blinking for a while longer and keyboard lights are on. One last note, I got the tivo green screen of death which is why I am trying to hopefully copy image to new 2gb drive.
     
  9. Nov 8, 2012 #1809 of 2843
    milo99

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    sounds very similar to the problem i had (about a dozen posts before you), and my computer is also less than a year old. i couldn't get it to work, but it did work on my old computer just fine, so i stopped trying to figure out. if you can get your hands on a pc that's a few years old, that might work out better for you.

    Has Comer checked in to this thread recently? i wonder if he'd have any insight as to what's going on with newer computers/motherboards...
     
  10. Nov 8, 2012 #1810 of 2843
    lessd

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    I keep an old P4 HP computer in the cellar to do all my TiVo coping on, works great and I don't have to tie up my working computer.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2012 #1811 of 2843
    unitron

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    Computers are like cars, you always need to keep an old one working so you can use it to fix the new one.
     
  12. Nov 8, 2012 #1812 of 2843
    blackduck08

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    Ok. The got it to run on another computer but the problem is the program doesnt detect a tivo drive and i cant continue..but the bios sees the drive. I have a lifetime on the tivo. What are my options? Is it hopeless?
     
  13. Nov 8, 2012 #1813 of 2843
    lessd

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    If your TiVo drive in NG you will have to purchase a drive off E-Bay or other venders.
     
  14. Nov 9, 2012 #1814 of 2843
    blackduck08

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    If I do that do I lose my lifetime service?
     
  15. Nov 9, 2012 #1815 of 2843
    unitron

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    Type

    x

    (for exit) and press the Enter key to get to the command line.

    Then type and enter

    fdisk -l

    (that's a lowercase L)

    and hit the Enter key.

    That should list all of the hard drives (TiVo or not) detected by the OS loaded into memory by the jmfs cd when it booted.

    You should have a

    /dev/sda

    and a

    /dev/sdb

    at least, and if the PC's regular hard drive (the one with Windows or whatever on it) is attached then a

    /dev/sdc

    as well, and maybe some sort of listing for the cd or dvd drive you have the jmfs cd in.

    You should be able to tell by the size reported which drive is assigned which letter.


    /dev

    stands for device

    In the old days

    /hd*

    would mean "hard drive", by which they meant the older type now retronymed as PATA, and also called IDE, the type with the 40 pin header for the data cable and the big 4 pin power connector.

    Back then

    /sd*

    meant SCSI drive, but since one of the "S"es stands for serial, I guess Serial-ATA drives, commonly known as SATA, get detected and labeled the same.

    In Unix/Linux, everything's a file, so all of the devices (drives, cd drives, flash drives, floppy drives, etc)are in the device folder,

    /dev

    so a drive is a file named

    /s (or h) d *,

    where * is a letter from a to z

    (partitions on a drive, which DOS/Windows would see as separate drives --C: drive, D: drive, etc.--would be given a number, so /dev/sda1 would be the first partion on the first of the serially connected drives, but that's for drives with a DOS type partition table and not the modified Apple Partition Map used on TiVo drives. fdisk doesn't speak Apple.)


    You need to make sure that jmfs is seeing all of the drives attached to the motherboard.

    If you need to see something that went by too fast, hold down the shift key and use page up and page down to navigate.

    And at the command line you can type

    reboot

    or

    poweroff

    to get out of it.

    (It's not recommended to just flip the power switch on a Unix/Linux machine the way you could on an old DOS machine)

    To answer your other question, TiVo, Inc. has a database of TiVo Service Numbers.

    You can see what yours is by looking at the sticker on the back, but it's actually stored in a chip on the motherboard.

    It's also recorded on the hard drive, but the one that counts is the one on the motherboard.

    When the TiVo connects to the TiVo, Inc. servers, it sends in that number and the servers find it in the database and say "you aren't subscribed", or "your subscription payments are current and you're good until date so and so" or "you have Product Lifetime Service".


    So as long as the motherboard is okay, your lifetime sub is okay.


    Go ahead and go to mfslive.org and download the MFS Live cd v1.4 .iso file image and burn yourself a copy just in case we need something on it, but don't aim it at the TiVo drive unless I say so.

    And tell us what part of the country in which you live, you might have to borrow someone's Premiere drive to "Xerox".
     
  16. Nov 9, 2012 #1816 of 2843
    L David Matheny

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    No, the lifetime service is tied to a chip on the motherboard. But if you replace the drive (with another one for exactly the same model TiVo) you will lose all your recordings since you'll have to do a Clear & Delete Everything.
     
  17. Nov 9, 2012 #1817 of 2843
    blackduck08

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    I am tried of going to my friend's house so I can use the boot up version. Can I use the windows version of mfslive and try to copy image to my computer then to the new drive?

    Maybe this will work this way?
     
  18. Nov 9, 2012 #1818 of 2843
    mattack

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    Is 2T still the maximum size? 4 TB drives are now becoming reasonably priced. I think I'll just get an external drive and manually copy shows off… but eventually upgrading the internal drive will be tempting. (Premiere 4…)
     
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