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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jul 6, 2012 #1661 of 2843
    BobCamp1

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    Then why doesn't Tivo use such a drive in their DVR?

    You aren't going to have such a blip very often. If you're having one more than once every three months, your hard drive is circling the drain. Honestly though, you should never see such a blip in a healthy hard drive.

    Besides, what if that sector was where the OS was? Wouldn't you want the hard drive to try really hard to boot so you can watch or transfer the shows?

    The other tweaks in the A/V hard drive firmware are very minor in nature, and don't yield any benefits except looking good on a datasheet. All hard drives are rated for 24/7 use. You're just paying for the longer warranty for the A/V drive.
     
  2. Jul 6, 2012 #1662 of 2843
    dwalke85

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    New to upgrade

    I was able to boot up jmfs and did the whole copy thing but at about 39 gb the program stops and tells me that it did not copy.

    I tried to get the log.log but I did not have permission. :mad:

    I am going from original HD to 2 Tb wd ears

    I did try on another computer with the same results.

    Any ideas.

    Thanks
     
  3. Jul 7, 2012 #1663 of 2843
    lessd

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    I had a similar problem once, solves it by a program that did what was called a full low level format on the drive (I think the program is Max Blast ISO)
     
  4. Jul 7, 2012 #1664 of 2843
    unitron

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    Just be sure to do that to the target drive, and not to the source drive, since it writes zeros to the entire drive and you don't want to erase your source.

    Also, since the stock drive in a Premiere is, if I'm not mistaken, a Western Digital, and the EARS is also WD, Maxtor software is probably not the thing to use on either.

    You can download an image for a bootable cd from the WD site that has their diagnostic software on it, and run the long test on both drives, and run the "write zeros to the drive" utility only on the EARS.

    Check the documentation on the jumper settings for the EARS, and see if there's one for turning on or off advanced format and if there's one to set whether the drive is 1.5Gb/s or 3 or 6 and see what the original drive is and match it.

    Remember, do not boot into Windows with the original Premiere drive attached to the computer!!!
     
  5. Jul 7, 2012 #1665 of 2843
    CoxInPHX

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    Every Premiere I have seen DOES have a WD AV/GP HDD installed as stock equipment.
    TCD746320 Premiere - WD3200AVVS

    TCD746500 Premiere - WD5000AVDS

    TCD748000 Premiere XL - WD10EVDS or WD10EURS

    TCD758250 Premiere Elite/XL4 - WD20EURS
     
  6. Jul 8, 2012 #1666 of 2843
    lessd

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    The Max Blast works on any drive, but you sure don't want to zero out the original drive.
    You can boot any TiVo drive into Windows XP or newer as long as you don't use the windows drive service, Windows just will not see the drive. WinMFT requires you to boot into Windows to run the software.
     
  7. Jul 8, 2012 #1667 of 2843
    unitron

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    People have reported here that they booted into Windows to take a look at their Premiere drive with WinMFS, and when they put the drive back in the TiVo, it wouldn't TiVo no mo'.

    Better safe than sorry.
     
  8. Jul 8, 2012 #1668 of 2843
    lroscoe19

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    I've tried using the CD-R & get the same results as with the DVD-R. Was wondering if someone could help with I'm having with trying to upgrade my Premiere to a 2TB drive. Using a JMFS Live DVD, I'm getting a "loading/boot/vmilinuz"...then a "loading/boot/initrd.gz" message...before the computer reboots. This happens over & over again. Any ideas on what I can do? Thanks.
     
  9. Jul 8, 2012 #1669 of 2843
    lessd

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    Some of the older Windows installation would come up with a window asking you if you want to ready a new drive, answering yes to that question kill the drive for TiVo. Newer versions of windows (Vista and Win 7) will not have such a window, so you can't bonk the drive by just booting into Windows.
     
  10. Jul 8, 2012 #1670 of 2843
    unitron

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    I'm talking about looking at it with WinMFS, probably mfsinfo specifically.

    Why this would cause problems I don't know, as you'd think it would be a read-only operation, but people have reported it happening to them right here on this website.

    Spike isn't going to guarantee that WinMFS won't bork a Premiere drive.

    TiVo isn't going to guarantee it.

    Microsoft isn't going to guarantee it.

    Considering that the only way currently known to fix the problem is get hold of another Premiere drive and overwrite it, my advice is better safe than sorry.


    Apparently you can boot into Linux with the MFS Live cd, v1.4, and use

    pdisk -l

    to look at the Premiere's partition map safely, but since

    mfsinfo

    on that cd is going to return an error message on a Premiere drive, there's no point in risking even that.
     
  11. Jul 8, 2012 #1671 of 2843
    BobCamp1

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    I stand corrected for the Premieres! But their previous models did not utilize A/V drives.

    Actually, looking through the data sheets for WD, it looks like all new low RPM drives are now also being marketed as "A/V" drives or have an A/V counterpart. The data sheets for the green drive vs. their A/V brothers look identical but the A/V drives are $5 - $10 more expensive. The warranties are also the same -- 3 years.

    Interestingly, there are 3 TB A/V drives even though no DVR can actually use them. So I guess they're trying to sell them to people who edit movies at home.

    Since A/V drives aren't as big a rip-off as they were before, I don't consider anyone who buys one a complete idiot. Not like those people who use synthetic motor oil. :D
     
  12. Jul 9, 2012 #1672 of 2843
    lessd

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    WinMFS is not totally compatible with the TP, but just looking at the drive with WinMFS will not bork the drive, people that have reported WinMFS borking the TP drive may have done something they should not have done, or did not realize they should not have done like super size a standard TP drive, that just a guess on my part.
    You are correct that if you not sure what your doing with any TiVo drive not connecting it to any computer is safe from borking the drive, I know that some computer motherboards (at least one that has been reported) can bork a TiVo drive in the boot process.
     
  13. Jul 9, 2012 #1673 of 2843
    unitron

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    At least one brand of motherboard, GigaByte
     
  14. dwalke85

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    Thanks for the help.

    I used the WD tools to check the drive and after a few hours the drive came up with Bad sectors. So I will have to return.
     
  15. dameongreen

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    simple and flawless tut.
    Thanks!
     
  16. True Colors

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    Is there any way to use a 3TB drive into any HD Tivo?

    Thanks,

    TC
     
  17. lessd

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    No, they will not boot on any TiVo even with just a direct copy no expansion as the format of any drive above 2.2Tb is different and TiVo does not recognize it.
     
  18. alyssa

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    No one except Weaknees & DVR_Dude has figured out how to marry and external to a Elite (XL4) yet?

    as a data point, DVR_Dude charges $50 plus $10 shipping to do the pairing. You supply the hdd's & the external case.
     
  19. Aug 5, 2012 #1679 of 2843
    irepoder

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    Thanks Comer,

    I was able to recover a corrupted premiere hdd by using your software to copy a friends hdd, then after using it for a week, upgraded to a 1tb WD10EADS. All functions working flawlessly. Excellent program!
     
  20. Aug 8, 2012 #1680 of 2843
    guammm17

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    Can you use this method to downgrade drive size (if you delete all the material off the original premiere drive)? I would like to try to put an SSD in mine but cant afford anything above 256 GB, and I don't really care that much about space, as I have it networked to a computer with over 2TB in the other room. Just trying to cut down on noise in the bedroom, it drives my lady nuts. I assume this wont work, but figured I'd ask since I couldn't seem to find any info on it elsewhere.
     

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