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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Yes.
     
  2. nrnoble

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    Thanks

    I successfully followed the instructions (or errors reported). Put the new 2TB into the Premiere and booted the TiVo.

    For over 20 minutes the Tivo was on the screen that says "Almost there, just a few more minutes" I hope that is just a one time initialization because of the new 2TB drive; 20-25 minutes to boot up is a long time. My Series S3 Tivos have 2TB HDD, and only take 1-2 minutes to boot up.
     
  3. lpwcomp

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    I assume that:
    1. you used JMFS to do the copy, expand, and optionally, supersize.
    2. you don't have a Gigabyte motherboard or you connected the drives via USB.
    3. the stock drive wasn't totally dead.
    4. you didn't boot windows with the drives attached (not a problem in and of itself, just potentially.

    What were the reported errors? After you did the expand, did it report the size? What model Premiere?

    The laws of physics must work differently in your house if your TiVo 3s are booting up in 1-2 minutes.
     
  4. nrnoble

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    I did things as listed (copy, expand), but didn't "supersize" because I didn't have the option. Once finished, it reported I had 1.71TB free space. No errors were reported at any time.

    the orginal HDD was brand new, only used to record 2-3 recordings to verify the TiVo worked before upgrading the HDD.

    Model is the basic Premiere with 320GB HDD.

    I've not timed the booting of the S3 down to the second, so maybe it takes 3 minutes, but I think your smart enough to understand the point I was trying to make even if I have not timed the S3 boot time with a stopwatch. Feel free to tell me exactly how many total seconds it takes for S3 to boot, so I won't make such errors in the future.:)
     
  5. lpwcomp

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    That makes no sense.

    I thought JMFS reported # of hours capacity but I'll take your word for it.

    Check all of the internal connections. If they seem OK, try to bring it up again. If it is still stuck after 10 minutes ( shouldn't take that long but just to be sure), put the original drive back in and see if it works.

    Your previous post said "(or errors reported)". Should that have been "(no errors reported)"? If the former, what were they? If not or they were write errors, then hook the new drive up to the computer and run the manufacturers diagnostics.
     
  6. nrnoble

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    Well it does appear that booting the first time with the new 2TB needed to go through a longer init phase (20-25 minutes), after it was booted & running successully, I rebooted the TiVo and it only took a couple of minutes to get to the TiVo Central screen. Thx
     
  7. lpwcomp

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    Glad it is working now but it shouldn't have taken any extra time when you first started it. I'm also still confused about the Supersize thing. What does System Info report as capacity?
     
  8. nrnoble

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    The Tivo's system information menu reports I have the capacity of 291 hours, which seems about right because my S3 TiVos report having the capacity of 237 hours. Seems to be working fine now.

    When it was when I ran the jmfs tools that is I do not recall any option to "supersize". After booting from the Lived CD, it gave me the options to Copy, Expand, Exit, Shutdown. I copied the from orginal to new 2TB HDD (recordings transfered), then I selected to "Expand" new HDD, which reported a free space change from 320GB, to 1.71TB. that is what I recall happening. I may have over looked something, but I proceeded slowly so not to make any mistakes. I mostly was concerned about wiping out existing data on my PC's System drive (also 2TB HDD) by selecting the wrong target, so I tripled checked everything before proceeding.

    What function does "supersizing" perform?

    Thanks
     
  9. unitron

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    There is some space somewhere on the original drive's MFS partitions that TiVo has reserved for recording advertising on, like when it records 30 minutes of paid tv to get the movie trailers and junk for which it puts a link at the bottom of every menu page. I think that stuff is called showcases.

    Supersizing "unreserves" that space. Doesn't mean it won't record that stuff if that space is still available, just that it can no longer count on the space not having already been filled with something you wanted to record.
     
  10. ThreeSoFar

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    Yes--the copy remains the same size as your original drive, not utilizing the empty space after that. After the copy, the expand adjusts the file system tables to utilize the new space for data.
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    I'm pretty sure that what it does is reduce the amount of reserved space rather than eliminate it. By default, the TiVo reserves @10% which would be 200GB for a 2TB drive. Way more than it needs.
     
  12. unitron

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    I bow to your greater wisdom.
     
  13. unitron

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    To be a tad more specific, expand creates extra MFS partitions in the extra space, provided you don't already have the maximum number of partitions allowed by a TiVo.

    If you're starting with the original drive, you still can add partitions.

    If you've upgraded once already, maybe not.
     
  14. rhoelzer

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    I admit I haven't read every page of this thread but I've done some searches and haven't found anything to help.

    I'm trying to upgrade to a 2TB drive from the stock 320 and can't get either of 2 computers to recognize the original drive with MFSLive.

    I've got a fairly new Dell desktop using internal SATA and I've tried a WD external USB enclosure. I've tried the boot CD, booting to flash drive, and WinMFS. I've also tried with the USB on my laptop.

    Can anything think of something I might be missing?

    I've upgraded S1 and S2 drives back in the day when everything was manual commands so I don't have a problem doing that if I have to. Is there a quick guide for doing it manually? And I'd assume the first thing I need to do is run a command to make sure the drives are there as far as the software is concerned.

    Any help and minimal flaming would be much appreciated..
     
  15. ThreeSoFar

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    For starters, what TiVo do you have that you want to upgrade?

    For Premiere, the method of choice is the jmfs, so you're in the right thread. Hard to tell what you're maybe missing with so little detail, though. The jmfs boot CD (different from the MFSLive one you mention) is pretty idiot-proof. It tells you what drives it recognized, and it essentially defaults to "dupe the only TiVo drive attached to the only non-formatted drive attached". Hard to go wrong there.
     
  16. unitron

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    Are you talking about a Premiere?

    Do you also have an external attached to that TiVo?

    The only thing you can use to upgrade a Premiere (at least for now) is jmfs.

    The MFS Live cd will show you the partition map

    pdisk -l /dev/sd"whicheverletterthedriveis"

    but


    mfsinfo /dev/sd"whicheverletterthedriveis"

    will choke on the S4 structure because it differs from the S1 through S3 structure somewhat, and the original MFS Tools and their successor, MFS Live, were written before the S4 came out, as was WinMFS, with which you should never touch an S4 drive.

    Also, there is currently no way, as there is for S1-S3, to make a backup image of an S4 drive.

    The only thing you can do is use another drive of equal or greater size and something like

    dd_rescue

    to "Xerox" it.

    Which is what jmfs does (except I think it uses

    ddrescue

    or some other

    dd

    variant), and then it adds another MFS partition in the extra space and rewrites the partition map and all the partition headers to properly incorporate it so the TiVo can and will use it.

    You really should go back and read the first several posts of this thread at least before you do something irreversible that will make you an unhappy camper.
     
  17. rhoelzer

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    Yep, it's a Premiere.

    It is the jmfs, this image. premiere_linux_inc_supersize_jmfs-rev104

    When it boots it just tells me it doesn't see a Tivo drive and gives me the options to retry, shut down, or exit.

    Mostly wondering if it's just the computer and the enclosure I happen to have aren't working..

    The desktop is a Dell Inspiron 620 and BIOS is current.


     
  18. unitron

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    Does the 320 still work just fine in the Premiere?


    When you boot the computer with it attached, hit the delete key or what ever is necessary to go into the BIOS/CMOS settings and see if the computer itself is recognizing the drive.

    I think the jmfs cd will allow you to do

    fdisk -l

    or

    pdisk -l

    which should show you if the jmfs is finding the drive at all.
     
  19. rhoelzer

    rhoelzer New Member

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    That's what I was looking for.

    fdisk -l doesn't show either drive. They are there in the BIOS.

    Looks like jmfs doesn't like the Dell. And no real options in the BIOS that look like they could be causing a problem.

    I've gotten rid of all of the older computers I used to have sitting around so don't have anything else to try.

    Seems like I remember seeing something about manually loading a driver or being able to get it added to jmfs.

    Or my other option would be to go find a couple cheap enclosures, is there a list of compatible enclosures that are available at the major retailers?

    Or will I run into the same problem that the USB isn't supported either? I checked the WD enclosure I have and it doesn't see it either.
     
  20. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Are you trying to upgrade a Premiere?

    Are you already using an external drive with it?

    Do you have a bootable copy of the MFS Live cd?

    If the answer to that last question is yes, see if

    fdisk -l

    finds the drive when you boot with it.
     

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