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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. ShinySteelRobot

    ShinySteelRobot New Member

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    Quick update... The UPS guy dropped off my WD20EARX and I got started upgrading my TiVo Premiere XL (which is 100% full). The original drive already has the 20.2 software on it.

    On the label it says the drive was manufactured on June 26, 2011.

    The wdidle3 command reported a default idle setting of 8 seconds, which I reset to 300 seconds.

    These new EARX drives do not support AAM according to HDDScan 3.3. Even so, I tried the IBM/Hitachi tool and was unable to change its acoustic management setting.

    I'm using SATA connectors to copy the original 1TB Premiere XL drive over to the new drive. The copy process has been running for 7 hours and is just under half finished. Looks like it'll take roughly 14.5 total hours.

    Hopefully the drive won't be too loud when I put it into the TiVo. It sucks that AAM is no longer supported, that seems like a retrograde step on WD's part.

    EDIT:
    RESULTS / FOLLOW-UP: Ok the copy finished this morning while I was sleeping. After a quick expand and supersize I installed the EARX into the TiVo Premiere XL. It appears everything works correctly, all my programs transferred, and performance is great! The Premiere XL now reports 318 hours (currently 49% full). Soft restart works fine. Thankfully the drive is actually surprisingly quiet, about the same as the OEM drive, AFAICT.

    Overall I'm super happy with this upgrade... Donation forthcoming to Comer later today!
     
  2. unitron

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    How bad did that EARX set you back before shipping and where'd you buy it?

    How well packed for shipping was it?
     
  3. ShinySteelRobot

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    It was about $130 from Amazon and was double-boxed (box in a box) with both boxes having some packing material to cushion the drive.

    BTW the Amazon price fell about $5-10 in the past week or so, let's hope that trend continues.
     
  4. ShinySteelRobot

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    I edited my post above with the results of the TiVo Premiere XL upgrade. In a word: Awesome! :)

    Thanks to everyone in the forum who helped out!

    EDIT:
    Donation sent to Comer via PayPal. Well deserved; the upgrade was totally painless.
     
  5. CoxInPHX

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  6. ShinySteelRobot

    ShinySteelRobot New Member

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    I got a thank-you note via email when I sent a PayPal donation, so he may not be active in the forums but he's definitely around somewhere. :)
     
  7. yessirrom

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    I just purchased a new premier. I have two HDs that I upgraded a few years ago using a dock. I want to use one of the 1TB drives from the old HD and put it in the Premier. What steps should I take to prepare the old HD drive for use in the Premier?

    Does this upgrade require a new drive?
     
  8. ShinySteelRobot

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    It doesn't require a new drive. Also, the 1TB drive will be completely overwritten by the JMFS tools (it does a byte-by-byte transfer using a Unix tool called dd I believe). You shouldn't need to do anything special. If your 1TB drive is a WD Green drive, then you may want to check its idle time with wdidle3, and reset it to 300 sec if it's currently 8 sec.
     
  9. unitron

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    Do not boot into Windows or try WinMFS with the Premiere drive attached to the computer.

    If it's not a GigaByte brand motherboard, you should be alright booting from the jmfs cd. Once you copy the original Premiere drive to the 1TB, put the original Premiere drive somewhere safe, as the only backup for a Premiere drive is a Premiere drive.

    What are you going to do with the now drive-less HD?
     
  10. ShinySteelRobot

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    Last week I upgraded my Premiere XL to 2 TB with a computer I built myself with a Gigabyte brand motherboard (GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3 Rev 1.0 Bios F12). It had no problem booting the JMFS cd, and the upgrade worked fine. Out of curiosity, what's the problem with Gigabyte motherboards? Thanks
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    At least some of the Gigabyte motherboards have the annoying habit creating a Host Protected Area on any connected drive, thus rendering the drive unusable in a TiVo.
     
  12. unitron

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    I've found that if I put a drive on the Primary IDE as master (the one I'm going to use for Windows anyway), it gets HPA'ed, and then the rest are safe.

    Of course I learned that the hard way through trial and error.

    ShinySteelRobot's board doesn't seem to have any IDE ports so maybe it grabs the one attached to the lowest number SATA port. Maybe they've even wised up by now and provided a way to disable it in the BIOS settings.
     
  13. CoxInPHX

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    I successfully upgraded my Premiere HDD using an older (2005) Gigabyte GA-8I915G Pro (Rev 1.x) motherboard in Aug or Sept 2011.

    I disconnected all the computers SATA HDDs and connected the Original TiVo drive to SATA1 and the upgrade drive to SATA2, and booted from the jmfs Live CD.

    I left the optical drives connected to the IDE connector.
     
  14. ShinySteelRobot

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    Hmm, I didn't disable anything in BIOS. Before attaching the TiVo disks I simply reset the BIOS to "optimized defaults" and then set the SATA Mode to AHCI. Then I shut down, hooked up the drives and rebooted. On POST I hit F12 to tell it to boot from the CD in the DVD-ROM drive. That was it, JMFS was up and running, no fuss no muss.

    BTW I haven't come across anything in the BIOS settings related to HPA or even suspiciously similar. I've only been using Gigabyte motherboards for about two years now since I started building, uh, my own "Macs". :) The motherboard I used was about six months old.
     
  15. JimR1998

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    I picked up a 1.5TB WDC external USB drive on closeout hoping to find a green drive of some sort inside. I ended up with an RE4-GP WD1502FYPS. It has a black label with an "Enterprise Storage" sticker.

    The upgrade process with JMFS was simple and flawless. It's the wdidle thing that's giving me problems.

    First, I only have a laptop and for the life of me I cannot get wdidle to detect the drive if it's hooked up via USB or eSATA. I spent a few hours on then just gave up.

    Tivo booted up fine and all seems to be working well-- except, there is a constant clicking noise coming from the unit. Every 2-3 seconds it sounds like a pair of clicks. It's not even waiting for the 8 second timeout if that's the issue.

    Does anyone have experience with this model? I don't mind the noise so much I just don't want to kill the drive.

    Thanks!
     
  16. ShinySteelRobot

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    Unfortunately I've had a hard drive do this too. :( There's even a term for it:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death#Hard_disk_drives
     
  17. unitron

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    Does your motherboard manual say anything about Xpress Recovery or Xpress Recovery2?
     
  18. CoxInPHX

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    Yes it did, as a matter of fact. It was listed as an option on boot-up. But the Xpress Recovery never worked, it always said not supported, I tried it a few times over the years.

    That motherboard died a month later, and had to rebuild, used an ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) and Core i3-2105.
     
  19. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    Fairly loud clicks in pairs could very well be reseeks done by a drive repeatedly trying to read the same failing block of data. But do note that some drives make a soft click every few seconds when idle as they move the heads around to keep heat due to air friction from building up in any one area. OTOH, that idle behavior might not occur in a TiVo since something is always being written and read back due to buffering of live TV.
     
  20. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Are you using it as an internal or external drive?

    Stick a plastic soda straw or skinny paintbrush handle in the fan grill on the back to stop the blades turning momentarily and see if you still get the ticking.
     

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