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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Dec 5, 2011 #1381 of 2853
    guruuno

    guruuno New Member

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    I'm not concerned 1 bit about ANY of the recording, so it is not important to preserve anything.

    I'm also reading that I cannot have the 1Tb external expansion with a 2Tb internal, so that too is a moot point (unless you have information that will state otherwise).

    Regarding your answers:
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    I assume you have jmfs copying the original 160GB internal drive to a 2TB?
    YES

    When it finishes copying, instead of telling it to expand, exit and try the 2TB in the TiVo WITH THE EXTERNAL ATTACHED AND POWERED UP.
    So even after the error message after "married" do this?

    Maybe that'll work and your recordings will still be accessible so that you can use TiVo Desktop to copy off any that aren't anti-copy flagged.
    DO NOT CARE about any recordings. Also, TiVo Desktop on Mac says I cannot copy anything without a "Premier" box. (not available) All I have is the ability to publish content from my iMac to a TiVo as I see.

    Once you've done that we can explore using the drive in the external enclosure as a middleman on your way to using all of the 2TB drive.
    Not sure what you are saying here????


    Just for future reference, links to an image that can be restored with the MFS Live cd and to an image that can be restored with WinMFS can be found in this post: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...01#post8831301
    Again, not sure what you mean here????

    but we may be able to use your original drive after we divorce the external and save all of your settings and such.
    THIS IS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, HOW DO I "DIVORCE" THE EXPANSION DRIVE?

    By the way, are you sure it's the internal going bad and not the external?
    Good point, will test!

    You should download the WD diagnostic software bootable cd iso for future reference.

    You should also go to mfslive.org and download the MFS Live cd v1.4 iso (I'd tell you to do that even if you didn't own a TiVo) and download the WinMFS program for future reference as well.
    Will do!

    When you tried Instant Cake, did it offer any chance to increase the size of your swap partition?
    None whatsoever, failed with message:
    Not enough extra space to expand on A drive.
    Partition table on drive A is revalidated!
    Go to http://www.mfslive.org for support.
     
  2. Dec 5, 2011 #1382 of 2853
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Instant Cake referred you to mfslive for support and not to ptvupgrade.com or dvrupgrade.com? Curious, unless they used spike's MFS Live software and forgot to edit that part.

    Forgive me if I'm an idiot who can't read, but was it Instant Cake that warned you about problems because of the external or was it jmfs?

    When the copying finishes and you put the drive back in the TiVo, if you do not have the external attached it will, if that doesn't keep it from booting, announce that the external is missing and give you the option to divorce it.

    If you boot up with the external attached and already powered up, it might work with no problem and your recordings will still be accessable. If so, there should be something buried somewhere in the menus that'll let you divorce the external, after warning you that it'll bring about the end of civilization as we know it.

    So either way you should be able to divorce the external.

    At that point the external is just a drive in an enclosure that can be erased and re-used as an external TiVo drive on some other TiVo or reformated to the file system of your choice and used on something other than a TiVo.

    What I had in mind (and still do if you have a Windows computer) is to take it out of the enclosure so that you can hook it directly to a SATA port on a motherboard and use it as a middleman (although perhaps after running the WD diagnostics long test to make sure there's nothing wrong with the drive itself.

    Then you use either the MFS Live cd or WinMFS to copy the 160GB to it (or the 160GB that's been copied to the 2TB and divorced), but use the option to increase the swap partition size (can't hurt, might help down the line) to 999 MB.

    Then you use WinMFS to expand that 1TB drive with the TiVo image and the bigger swap partition.

    It'll do this by adding two more MFS partitions, which gets your total up to 15.

    For some reason, WinMFS will do this without leaving any extra space at the end of the drive (which would be seen by jmfs as an "Apple Free Partition", which it will consider to be the 16th partition, which means it'll add a single MFS partition after that one when copying the 1TB to the 2TB, and that'll be the 17th partition on one drive, which is against the TiVo limitation of only 16 partitions per drive, which means the TiVo will interpret it as a faulty external and insist that you divorce it, which means it'll only use 1TB of that 2TB), but MFS Live will expand into the rest of that 1TB by adding 2 partitions but the last one won't quite use up all the space, so you'll get that 16th "Apple Free" partition which will screw up jmfs. I've tried doing it with all sorts of different size swap partitions (including not making the swap partition any bigger than the 128MB it is on the original 160GB drive), and it still leaves some unpartitioned space at the end that jmfs sees as a 16th partition.

    Of course to use WinMFS, you have to have a Windows computer.

    The MFS Live cd and the WinMFS program both offer the option to make truncated backup images (no shows saved) of TiVo drives (which is sort of what's on an Instant Cake cd, along with the software to install it).

    The advantage of using one of them instead of Instant Cake is that you can get your TiVo set up the way you want it, including cable card pairings, and then make a backup image that'll contain all of that, and you can save that image on a computer for future reference or emergencies, and you can also use either of those programs to copy to a larger drive and expand (up to about 1.1TB).

    Even though spike wrote both (building on the work of others who came before), you can't restore an image made by one of them with the other of them, which is why I did it with both and put links to both in that post I linked to.

    By the way, while you've got the cover off of the TiVo, you need to give the power supply capacitors a good close visual inspection.

    See this thread:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=479176

    for a really good picture of how subtle the difference between a good one and a bad one can be, and read the wikipedia article on "capacitor plague" to understand what's going on. badcaps.net is a good source of education on the topic as well.

    I bring this up because of the not extremely remote possibility that your power supply has or is developing this problem. If it does or is, that can cause all sorts of strange symptoms.
     
  3. Dec 7, 2011 #1383 of 2853
    guruuno

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    OK, I used JMFS Rev 1.04, cloned the internal drive to a 2Tb Hitachi HD, reconnected the WD Expansion 1Tb HD, everything works, (a tad vibrate noise I assume from the 7200RPM HD), snappy feel and response, no immediate issues, however, what SHOULD be the total hours available, and if I unmark the expansion, what should be the total hours available?

    I know I cannot have a 2Tb internal and a 1Tb external, but if I knew what the capacity was for each as above, I'd know if the new Tb is correct or if it need to be "expanded"?????

    IF indeed this internal 2Tb HD needs to be expanded, all I do is unplug the expansion, tell the Tivo I don't care, then it is "unmarried" or what?

    After unmarried, I have to pull it out of the Tivo again (the HD), and per for more surgery?
     
  4. Dec 7, 2011 #1384 of 2853
    unitron

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    First of all, I erred by not originally telling you to move your initial question from the Premiere/jmfs thread to the HD/jmfs thread, which is really where we should have been having this conversation. Guess we're stuck here, though. My apologies to the community.


    What you have right now should be 160GB sitting on the 2TB, with (2TB minus 160GB) of free space left over (and I'm assuming there are only 13 partitions, 4 of which are MFS type, on there, not counting the free space).

    I'm not sure what jmfs did with the partition table/map on that 2TB, whether it just copied the one from the 160GB byte for byte, or whether it re-wrote it to reflect the actual size of the 2TB drive, so I don't know if the unused space is "invisible" to some utilities or if it's already marked "Apple Free", and whether this will interfere with further use of jmfs.

    Forgive me if I ask the same question more than once, I'm talking to a number of people in several different threads.

    Is your ultimate goal to have a 2TB internal and no external? If so, see if there isn't something buried a few levels down in the menus (maybe the same place as clear and delete) where you can tell it to divorce the external.

    If not, and you still want to discontinue the external, turn everything off, disconnect the external from the TiVo, start the TiVo back up, and it should complain about the missing external and give you the opportunity for divorce.

    Once you do that, you should be able to hook the 2TB back to the computer and run jmfs to expand.

    Doing it that way will probably mean a partition larger than 1TB or 1.1TB or 1TiB or whatever the bleep the one-time "limit" was supposed to be. I don't know if that will cause problems or not.

    If it works, great.

    If, as I suspect, it appears to work but freezes or reboots about once a day, meet me over in the HD/jmfs thread.
     
  5. DavidTigerFan

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    Well, after upgrading my premiere about a year ago I'm getting stutters and non-responsive to remote inputs. Looks like this HDD is going. I am running SMART tests now, but I figure I should probably go ahead and clone another. Luckily I keep a spare 2GB in the house for my Drobo. Thanks for all your work.

    Am I clear that I need to boot from WD boot disk to run WDidle, then use JMFS?
     
  6. unitron

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    First thing you do is put the original drive back in and make sure the problem isn't actually something else.

    While you're doing that you can be running the manufacturer's long test on the upgrade drive you just removed.

    Only if you're going to be using a WD Green should you need to run wdidle3 to disable Intellipark.

    HOWEVER, maybe what's wrong is corruption of the software and/or data on a still perfectly good upgrade drive, so maybe you should run KS 57 or 58 first.
     
  7. DavidTigerFan

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    I wonder...all this started to happen after it upgraded to 14.9.2.2....maybe the software did get hosed somehow. Will 57 and 58 reinitiate the internal software?
     
  8. unitron

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    If it were not a Premiere I'd tell you to use WinMFS to rewrite the bootpage to use the alternate pair, where the previous version should still reside, but apparently just trying to look at a Premiere drive with WinMFS is enough to bork it.

    If the info here

    http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-kickstart-codes.php

    can be trusted, then perhaps KS 52 will do the same thing.


    57 and 58 are more about trying to straighten out the MFS partitions, not the OS ones.

    I'd try them first, to eliminate MFS partition problems as the culprit, and only then try reverting it back to the previous OS version.

    Of course if you do that it's going to try to download and install the newest version all over again.

    Bear in mind the newest thing I've actually had my hands on is an S3 HD.

    Everything else is from lots of reading.
     
  9. DavidTigerFan

    DavidTigerFan No, not Detroit. TCF Club

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    Thanks. I've got the smart tests running now so I figure i'll let those run and copy my original drive to the new drive in the meantime. Then I'll run the kickstarts. If those don't work, I'll slap the original back in and see what that does.
     
  10. unitron

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    Okay, 1st drive is the original, 2nd drive is the one you put into the TiVo in place of the 1st, 3rd drive is, I assume, what you're calling the new drive.

    Don't run the 1st drive in the TiVo if the TiVo is connected to your home network or it'll find a way to get on the internet and download the new OS software.

    Copy the 1st to the 3rd ( a straight dd or dd_rescue should be sufficient for testing purposes) and put the 3rd in the TiVo, keeping it off the network for the time being, and see how it does. You can overwrite the 3rd time and time again, as long as you keep the 1st safe.

    That's after you've tried the KS'es on the 2nd drive.
     
  11. DavidTigerFan

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    Yeah, that's what I plan to do. I always keep the 1st as my "master" it never even saw setup I believe.
     
  12. DavidTigerFan

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    So far I've done a KS 56 and 57 with no results. Still heavy pixelation and freezing when I change channels. My copy from 1 to 3 is done, but I'm going to call it a night. I've got KS 52 running right now.
     
  13. DavidTigerFan

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    Well I installed drive 3 into the premiere and left it all night plugged in...it's still at 14.5 weirdly enough. Everything is running smooth though except for some reason I lost HBO. Lets hope stupid Comcast can fix that. We'll see what happens when I get upgraded. I am currently running a deep diag of drive 2 using WD's software. So far it passed the short test.

    I wonder if I just go bit by some upgrade bug.
     
  14. Soapm

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    So close,...
    You'll have to force 3 connects to the Tivo mothership to get a software update. Just go in network settings and tell it to connect.

    HBO is expected, you'll have to get the cable care reactivated to get premium channels...
     
  15. rambler

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    If I upgrade hard drive, will it play nice with the cablecard, or do i have to involve cable company to pair up the cablecard with the new HD?
     
  16. lpwcomp

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    John's...
    If you create the new drive from your existing drive, it should have all of your settings, including CableCARD pairing information. No need to get the cable co involved.
     
  17. vsaltv

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    Is there a way to make a backup of my original HDD without only cloning it to a new drive? I would like to reuse the original HDD for something else. Also, how does the premiere handle 5400RPM WD EARS drives?
     
  18. unitron

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    Do not be penny wise and pound foolish.

    Keep the original as a backup.

    As far as I know there's no way to make a truncated backup of a Premiere drive.
     
  19. ThreeSoFar

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    Yes, you'll be fine.

    Read the FAQ, it's quite useful and says so (or ought to).
     
  20. b13

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    I upgraded my TIVO about 1-Year ago.

    From 320GB to 1TB.
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    I am getting stuttering/lagging now.
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    I am already at 90% full on drive. Can I take the 1TB drive that is installed now and do an upgrade to a 2TB Drive?


    (I no longer have the original drive e.g. 320GB)
     

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