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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. bobade

    bobade New Member

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    Unitron, I'm reading your reply more closely, where you say: "...just run wdidle3 on it to disable intellipark, then the long test from the WD diagnostic software, then hook up it and your current EARS (both should have the same LBA number), boot with the MFS Live cd v1.4 from mfslive.org, and Xerox the old one to the new one with dd_rescue." Actually, I am a few hours into using jmfs to copy my WD20EARS to the new WD20EARX. Why are you recommending a different method?
     
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Good to see you back!

    As it happens I took several rides on the "trying to buy a WD20EADS in a retail box" merry-go-round (wishing to avoid "advanced format" models), and learned about the "this is our model number for whatever we're putting in the box this week for the big chain outfits to sell" game the hard way.

    I knew there was a "retail kit" number on the boxes, and that it wasn't the exact same as the number on the drives themselves, but didn't know going in that there's no guarantee of a one to one relationship between the two numbers.

    Found out recently Seagate does the same thing.

    But, yeah, as long as it'll let him disable intellipark, any of the Greens should do fine.

    Once again, nice to see you back here on the front lines in the never ending struggle of man versus TiVo, where every day is a reaffirmation of Murphy's Law.:D
     
  3. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Disable intellipark, because otherwise when the TiVo goes to reboot itself (soft boot), the drive, sensing an entire 8 seconds of not being called upon, will put itself to sleep and the TiVo isn't designed to send it a wake up signal and then wait for it to wake up and respond, the TiVo expects it to be spun up and ready to go when it calls on it, so the TiVo interprets that as not having a drive there at all, or having a dead one.

    Run the long test to make sure it isn't bad out of the box, or just about to be. Even if it was fine when it left the factory, there's no telling what happened to it during shipping.

    Go read some of the drive reviews at newegg and Amazon. Obviously the people who had bad experiences are more likely to want to vent than those busy enjoying their new product, but a lot of the people having to RMA a brand new drive pointed out the pitiful protection employed when it was shipped to them.

    In your case I assumed you'd already fully expanded that EARS, so all you needed to do was "Xerox" it to the new one, which is a job for dd, or dd_rescue, or ddrescue.

    jmfs apparently uses either dd_rescue or ddrescue, so it's pretty much the same thing, but in my limited experience with it so far it seems to take a lot longer (that's a subjective observation on my part), and it seems like I can go from pushing the power switch with the MFS Live cd in the optical to

    dd_rescue -v /dev/sda /dev/sdb

    faster than getting to that point with the jmfs cd, and can see what's going on a bit better.
     
  4. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    MFS Live may not recognize the premier disc. That was the problem I had trying to run SApper on my TivoHD drive.
     
  5. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    If you truly mean that

    fdisk -l

    didn't come up with it as /dev/sd?, whether it found what it recognized as partition information or not, then it's likely that your motherboard couldn't see the drive, either.

    If you mean that something like mfsinfo didn't recognize it as a TiVo drive, that's not the same as the version of Linux on the Live cd not being able to find the raw drive.



    But if you're just copying a drive of size "X" to another drive of size "X" (same LBA number), i.e., Xerox'ing it, the MFS-specific tools and utilities are not needed.

    dd and dd_rescue just copy blocks of bytes without taking notice of what's written to them if you don't tell them to do so.
     
  6. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    I meant the partition information so it could install the hacks but I guess you're right, that isn't necessary for dd to work.

    Edited to add... there is a post in the other forum (I think under series 4 development but it seems to be down at the time) with 4 updated mfs utilities that can be substituted into the mfs live CD that should make it work on a premier drive. I didn't try it and as usual, YMMV... I instead made me a Linux machine which was the best two weeks I ever invested toward hacking my Tivo.
     
  7. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Something I've been meaning to do for years, and if I can ever get enough hardware working reliably at one time, I still hope to.
     
  8. BH9244

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    Ok, I'm delighted to report another successfull upgrade. In my case I went from a stock 320 GB Premier to a 1TB using a WD10EVDS & the JMFS 1.04 utility. Only hitch was while trying to disable intellipark with WDIDLE3 in that I was attempting to do it via a ESATA external dock, thanks Unitron for your accurate advice hooked up direct and the rest went without any problem. Did the copy,expand,Supersize with two USB connected external docks took approx 6 hours, next time I'd try ESATA.. Thanks Comer for your efforts.. This was painless as it gets..
     
  9. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    You should... I tell you, I used an old PC that was out in the garage that luckily had a 80gig drive. Being able to mount the Tivo drive in a point and click gui has advantages you can't imagine. You can even edit the files in place with the equivalent of notepad on Linux.

    My update from 9.2 to 11.0k went bad because the script I used to update made all my new directories with a ? mark (busybox?). It was first of all nice to be able to mount the drive and see what went wrong. Then I just right click and deleted those directors and drug the files from the old to the new partition and presto. I was back in business in a matter of minutes.

    I can't believe all the effort I've been putting into hacking my Tivo's and it could have been this simple. Now I'm addicted to the Linux box (am using it now) and can't seem to stop playing with it... I may go buy me a Tivo so I have something to hack (not)... But I do have an XBOX that is trying to avoid direct eye contact...
     
  10. unitron

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    What, you have a potential whole house media center just sitting there unmodified?:D
     
  11. beeswax

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    I've got a UK Virgin Media TiVo (pretty much a Premiere). I already used the LiveCD when I first got it to upgrade from a 500GB drive to a 2TB - worked fine. The software on the box has now been upgraded.

    The update initially failed and left the box in a cycle of constant reboots. Putting the 500GB back in and allowing the update to retry worked OK though. So I'm now trying to repeat the original process of cloning the 500GB drive with the new software onto the 2TB drive. LiveCD is giving me "No TiVo drives detected" though.

    FDisk /l shows both drives OK but both say invalid partition table. I found the link to the 4 MFS patched files but can't see a way to put them on the CD. I have popped open the ISO and there are no .s4.x86 files to replace :(

    Any help? I'm kind of desperate here...
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    You might have more luck asking that over where spike can see it on the mfslive.org forums or on "the other site" which may not be named here. They're more into the "rewrite your TiVo software" scene.
     
  13. beeswax

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    Thanks unitron, I'm not sure what I did but I _think_ it's resolved. I tried using GParted on the 2TB disk out of desperation more than anything. On the first attempt, I nuked the drive and set the partition table to bsd - didn't work. On the next try I tried a 'gpt' partition table. After an unusually long "Just a few more minutes" screen, I got the main menu back!

    So it seems if you wipe the drive and create a new partition table, the box will download the software from Virgin Media. I just have to hope now that my box doesn't suffer the "random reboots" issue.
     
  14. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I'm just wildly guessing here, but it sounds like TiVo finally moved on from the Apple Partition Map, and where they moved to is where, it would seem, everyone is going, the GPT, and what happened is GParted found where the actual TiVo partitions are/were and used that info to re-create the GPT style partition table.
     
  15. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    Something I learned experimenting, the 9.xx kernel will not work on a 2TB drive. When I had 9.xx on my Tivo I had to use Jamies custom kernel to get it to boot. However, once it upgraded to 11.xx I was able to stay with the neutered stock kernel. I believe that was what you were seeing...

    You want to remove the .s4.x86 part from the file name. I think he put that there so you could identify his modified files from the originals. Just remove those extensions and put them into the ISO. I haven't tried it so let us know how/if they work...
     
  16. ducker

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    Completed my upgrade to a 2TB drive on Friday night - took only about 4-5hours start to finish. The last time I did an upgrade was back with my S2 single tuner unit, and that was having to type out the whole command line. The new guide/menu system makes it an incredibly easy thing to do.

    The trickiest part for me was getting my usb thumb drive to be executable with the .iso on it. when using the Universal USB installer - I had to manually paste in the image name, as the browse window didn't recognize the file name (using Slax6). Once I did that, the data went on the thumb with out an issue.

    My setup was -
    disconnect DVD and Hard Drive in my PC.
    Connect the Tivo hard drive to one SATA cable.
    Connect new Hard drive to the other SATA cable.
    Boot on USB thumb drive.
    Follow the menus, (was seeing a very nice/fast transfer rate!)
    and then done!!!

    Thanks all for this thread and any/all of the contributions people have posted!
     
  17. Stuxnet

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    Congrats! That's exactly what I had to do as my USB/SATA docks weren't seen by jmfs... I stumbled my way through getting a bootable thumb drive...
     
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    Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    So I am sure what I am reading Comer, there is no change jfms will try to expand the 15th partition? It will always create a 16th partition in this example?
     
  19. Dec 5, 2011 #1379 of 2864
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    guruuno New Member

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    OK, need some help.
    Read all I could all night, today, overwhelming.
    Looking for a summary overview.
    TiVo HD (TCD652160), HD making noise, time to replace, sporadic reboots, lockups, etc.

    Purchased InstantCake, does NOT support anything over 1Tb HD, WANT 2Tb HD, got jmfs-rev104, put both HD's in PC, booted CD, now doing it's thing.

    However, at start I was warned that because I had an external expansion HD connected to my TiVo, something would not work (about drive being 'married' to the internal HD), I said OK anyway.

    Am I supposed to do something different now? How do I complete the upgrade, forget about the external expansion drive (un-marry) and finish?

    Appreciate any fast replies, as my workshop is a mess with crap all over the place.

    As a secondary concern, this "InstantCake" stuff, OK I assume when you want a 1Gb HD, but it suers seems a little fishy to me about all of the unknowns, and caveats, and no support except for forums and no REAL advice on what can and cannot be expected, etc (i.e., 2007/2008 software???), Paypal issues,(gee.....I wonder why?), and so on. Maybe I was misguided to choose that 1st or was it non-disclosure on their part? Easy no-brainer in my book, look, see, read, buy, if nothing says you cannot (NOWHERE on the basic landing or informational paged did anyone say anything about HD size limits, hoops to jump through, etc.)

    Sure, we can do a billion things a billion ways, but I'm just a little concerned that I wasted $40 for nothing.
     
  20. Dec 5, 2011 #1380 of 2864
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Well, if it's any consolation the Instant Cake people help keep this site going by buying advertising, so at least some of your $40 went for a good cause.


    When you add an external drive every show recorded after that gets part of it put on the internal drive and part put on the external, which means if either drive fails you've lost at least everything recorded since you added the external.

    Since expanding the internal means copying it to another, bigger drive and then adding more partitions, that probably will screw up how the TiVo keeps track of what part of which recording is where.

    I assume you have jmfs copying the original 160GB internal drive to a 2TB?

    When it finishes copying, instead of telling it to expand, exit and try the 2TB in the TiVo WITH THE EXTERNAL ATTACHED AND POWERED UP.

    Maybe that'll work and your recordings will still be accessable so that you can use TiVo Desktop to copy off any that aren't anti-copy flagged.

    Once you've done that we can explore using the drive in the external enclosure as a middleman on your way to using all of the 2TB drive.

    (I've just gotten through putting a 2TB in that same model TiVo, been recording stuff non-stop on both tuners for the past few days to test it, seems to be holding up.)



    Just for future reference, links to an image that can be restored with the MFS Live cd and to an image that can be restored with WinMFS can be found in this post:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8831301#post8831301

    but we may be able to use your original drive after we divorce the external and save all of your settings and such.

    By the way, are you sure it's the internal going bad and not the external?

    You should download the WD diagnostic software bootable cd iso for future reference.

    You should also go to mfslive.org and download the MFS Live cd v1.4 iso (I'd tell you to do that even if you didn't own a TiVo) and download the WinMFS program for future reference as well.

    When you tried Instant Cake, did it offer any chance to increase the size of your swap partition?
     

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