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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    There's no need to format the new drive (to NTFS or anything else) as jmfs will handle that. Did you connect the new drive (or the TiVo drive) to your computer and use Windows management to recognize it in the first place?

    I'm with dwit, I've never heard of anything like what you're experiencing in about a decade of performing upgrades. It could have something to do with your computer's BIOS settings. In any case, keep both drives away from Windows completely (particularly the TiVo drive) it will cause you nothing but grief. As you did, I always disconnect my Windows OS drive when performing an upgrade (unless I'm using winMFS). The jmfs program is dead simple and you shouldn't have any issues. I know that's not helpful, but if you're doing anything at all outside of the instructions/faq you won't get the desired outcome.

    Best of luck and keep us posted!
     
  2. PocoDiablo

    PocoDiablo New Member

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    Rich, you're spot on, I've never seen anything like this in about 25 years of messing with computers, and when I upgraded my Series 3 HD Tivo it went smoothly. No BIOS settings were changed. So here is the update.

    The WD software seemed to fix the "double drive" issue. After formatting it to NTFS I put the original Tivo drive and the new WD drive back in the PC, ran jmfs and it worked properly this time. It saw only ONE new drive and proceeded to perform the upgrade quickly and without error. I then expanded it, then supersized it, then did the quiet parms, and then ran wdidle3 on it.

    I then put the new drive back into my Premiere and started it up, and Tivo showed me the nice "Welcome starting up" and then "Just a few minutes" screens.

    And now it's on with just a black screen and is not responding to the remote. I have the bluetooth slide remote, and the regular remote, and neither seem to be responding.

    Le sigh. I'm sure there's a topic about this somewhere, but it's Friday night so I am going to have a few drinks and tackle this tomorrow. If anyone is kind enough to point me in the new right direction, I'd be very thankful! :D
     
  3. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Well...that's progress. Try disconnecting everything except your TV, plugging TiVo directly into the wall (if you're using a UPS - recommended - or a surge protector - not recommended) and try rebooting it again a few times. There are quite a few reports of having to try the initial boot several times before it takes for some reason.

    Tuning adapters, even TiVo WiFi adapters and Ethernet connections sometimes have an impact on the initial boot up so removing them from the mix and having a clean power source has helped on occasion.

    As far as the drive issues...just weird.

    Have a drink on me...you deserve it!

    P.S. Nice Pepe LePew reference. :)
     
  4. PocoDiablo

    PocoDiablo New Member

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    Update - I pulled the power cord and restarted and now Tivo is working. Success! Thanks to all who helped.
     
  5. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Phew! Sweet! :up: Enjoy your "new" TiVo!
     
  6. PocoDiablo

    PocoDiablo New Member

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    I am enjoying it with a Long Island Ice Tea (special recipe, ala me. :cool: ) and thanks again!
     
  7. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    John's...

    The only thing I can figure is that the partition map on the destination drive was bollixed up in such a way that it was seen as two logical drives and that running the WD tools fixed it.
     
  8. True Colors

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    Help needed please.

    I have a Dell Optiplex 760. It is 2 years old. 3.0 Ghz, dual core.

    I removed the hard drive from my computer. I took the power cable and SATA cable that were connected to that drive and I connected them to the hard drive that I pulled out of my Tivo premiere.

    I left my computer case open. There are a couple of open SATA ports on the mother board. I used a SATA cable to connect an open port to a new, blank hard drive(2 TB). I also connect a power cable to this new 2 TB drive.

    For some reason, Comer's application does not recognize my new blank drive. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to adjust my BIOS, or something else?

    Many thanks,

    TC
     
  9. ed08724

    ed08724 Bricktown, NJ

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    I wouldn't consider it a "new" tivo just a repaired old one. I copied a defective 1.5tb drive to a new 1.5tb drive so have no more capacity then I did before. Both jmfs and WinMFS do not think either the original or copied drive are tivo drives so that somewhat concerns me even though it does seem to work fine in the tivoHD. The 2tb drive was installed into a premiere and I used jmfs to copy, expand, supersize and it seems to be working fine.

     
  10. ed08724

    ed08724 Bricktown, NJ

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    What is the benefit of copying backwards. I remember reading a post about this previously but have been unable to find it.
    Thanks for your help and glad to have my programs back.

     
  11. dwit

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    Probably the best thing to do now is to see if your computer's bios recognizes the drive. Go into the bios. One of the first options should say something like "CMOS Options". Check ther to see if the drive is recognized and identified correctly(as to capacity, etc).
     
  12. PocoDiablo

    PocoDiablo New Member

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    I agree with this as well.

    If that does not work, see my most recent posts. I had to load my Western Digital drive into Windows, then run the Western Digital drive check software, and only then was it properly recognized.
     
  13. richsadams

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    Keep in mind that AFAIK yours is the first time anyone has had to do that so it's more of an anomaly than anything.

    Again, I'd caution against having a TiVo drive connected to any PC while using Windows drive management under any circumstance.

    It does sound like a BIOS setting issue for the OP. The only additional thing I'd recommend is to try swapping drives on the SATA port that's "working" to ensure both drives are actually recognized as well as trying a different SATA port to see if the drive can be recognized.
     
  14. jfh3

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    Notes on upgrading a Premiere 320 using WD20EARS drive (Mfg date March 2011):

    - took out 320GB drive from Tivo
    - Used WD DLG Diagnostics to run both Quick and Extended tests on new drive
    - Used comer tool to Copy, Expand and Supersize (don't forget to go up a menu)
    - put new drive into Tivo. Remember that the label side goes down. Otherwise, the cover just doesn't fit. :D
    - Put the original drive in an electrostatic bag and boxed it.
    - Reconnected the Tivo, booted it, verified 317HD. Did a soft boot too.
    - Yelled at myself for wasting 15-20 minutes trying to get the Tivo cover on with the hard drive mounted upside down.

    I tried to run Hitachi Feature tool (both 2.05 and 2.12) to set AAM to 128, but neither version recognized the WD20EARS drive, so AAM is at the default.

    I was going to set WDIDLE3 to 300 seconds, but I had a bad boot disk, so I left that alone.

    Tivo booted up in 5-10 minutes (wasn't really paying attention) and all is well.

    I'm not too worried about WDIDLE3, as my drive was manufactured this March and since this Tivo is about 12 feet from where I sit, I doubt I'll hear the difference on AAM.
    I couldn't tell too much difference when they were attached to the PC.

    I've upgraded many Tivos over the years and this was about as simple as it gets. Terrific tool! - a beer money contribution on its' way soon!
     
  15. lpwcomp

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    Did you do a soft boot? Just to be sure.
     
  16. jfh3

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    Yes, just edited my post to note that. I always do a connection to Tivo and then a soft reboot after an upgrade - just didn't think to comment on it above.

    In this case, it took a little longer, as 14.8c got loaded/installed.
     
  17. richsadams

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    Many thanks for the info! :up: Did you happen to notice what the manufacture date was for your WD20EARS?

    Also, FWIW while in jmfs you can exit to the prompt and run "hdparm -M <device> to set the AAM, but as you mention, those drives are very quiet out of the box.

    "TIA and enjoy!
     
  18. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I don't really know why running it backwards sometimes works better, but I've had success sticking the problem drive in the freezer overnight and then running dd_rescue with the -r switch and getting the contents over to a new drive when doing it forwards didn't seem to work out.

    If I have a choice between understanding fully why something doesn't work, and having it work even though I couldn't tell you why to save my life, I'll settle for confusion and success.:)

    Search my previous posts for how to use other switches to make dd_rescue do smaller than default chunks at a time to increase success rates with problem drives. Just don't expect me to be able to explain why it works.:)
     
  19. jfh3

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    Thanks. I had remembered this a few minutes after the Tivo and PC were put back together ... :(

    I upgraded another box at the same time using an AV drive in that one. I'm not really going to worry about AAM unless I upgrade the box in the master bed room and even then it probably won't matter, as my wife says my hearing is pretty bad anyway :D
     
  20. richsadams

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    I don't think women mean that literally. ;)
     

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