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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Aug 9, 2011 #1101 of 2850
    dianebrat

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    Answering my own question, nuked the drive, erased track 0, and then did a copy of the OEM drive and didn't supersize (because I can do it later) and it's running now, it'll need a few days burn in.
    Spoke too soon, got it running, did a service update, now it's stuck in a reboot loop :(
     
  2. richsadams

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    You mentioned a service update? The "donor" (in this case the OEM) drive needs to have the current TiVo OS prior to upgrading with jmfs or it won't work. If that wasn't the case I'd pop the OEM drive back into TiVo, force a network connection (may take a few tries) and let it update. Then use it to image the new drive again and you should be good to go. Or did I misunderstand?
     
  3. dwit

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    How does it(the Tivo) know what the "current OS" is? Or is it that it needs something other than the virgin image? But in that case, how did the first upgrade ever take(in this particular case here)?

    I think the poster is under the (misguided?) notion that all issues are caused by updates, so it's somehow better to always have the "virgin" image on hand. That's what I've been gathering from reading previous posts, anyway.
     
  4. dianebrat

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    I'm just troubleshooting since I started having a ton of issues with 14.8U2, but there's always the possibility that the drive isn't 100% right, so I decided to eliminate it and do some additional testing with a spare HD, first a 1.5TB then a 2.TB Seagate I have in the house.

    I have always been taught that you want to keep a virgin OEM image for using a master, then you let the donor OS update the new drive. This is what I did for the 1TB to 2TB update in February, and what I did for testing the 1.5TB drive.

    The Seagate 2TB donor drive has been nothing but trouble and I have only had it boot up successfully once, and that was with the OEM virgin image, it updated, rebooted, then never came back. I tried copying the existing 2TB WDC 14.8U2 drive to the Seagate 2TB, it never worked, also stuck in a reboot loop. The 1.5TB Seagate took the service update just fine, I just don't want to leave it in since it's too small.

    Does that help lay it out? I'm not against leaving the WDC 2TB that has reboot issues with playback (detailed in another thread) until 14.8B is out.
     
  5. richsadams

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    Every time TiVo connects to the "mother ship" it communicates a long list of data including the current OS. If the OS is older than what's current it automatically updates the box.

    You'd have to ask the author of jmfs (Comer) why, but it requires the latest TiVo OS (or at least the latest as of the jmfs 104 release back in November 2010) to work. The instructions assume an OEM disc is being pulled from an active box.

    Attempts to upgrade using an OEM drive that had an older OS on it failed so my WAG is that Comer just wrote the program based on the newest OS at the time.

    The remedy is to simply reinstall the OEM drive, force a network connection and let it update to the current OS prior to using it to image a new drive. It's not a bad idea to take the OEM drive off of the shelf and let it update periodically anyway.

    Make sense?
     
  6. richsadams

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    That worked for winMFS (or MFSTools), but it doesn't work with jmfs. As noted in the post above, the OEM drive needs to have the current TiVo OS for jmfs to work.

    AFAIK there's no reason to keep an OEM drive "virgin". Slipping it back into TiVo and letting it update to the current OS reduces the housekeeping a newly imaged drive is required to do (and likely any issues it might have otherwise) anyway.
     
  7. dianebrat

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    FWIW the "virgin drive" is 14.7, so I doubt that's the issue. I used it to upgrade to the currently out WDC 2TB Green that ran great until 14.8U2.
    That same "virgin" drive did a perfect jmfs upgrade to the 1.5TB Seagate drive I've been using to test which is why the poor results on the 2.0TB Seagate are so frustrating.

    My gut tells me 14.8U2 on the WDC is my issue and when I fill up the 1.5TB with 14.8U2 I'll get some of the problems back, which is why the swap to the spare Seagate 2.0TB was supposed to be the easy way out, if it worked and resolved stability, great it stays in, if it didn't work and instability was still there, 14.8U2 was the issue.
     
  8. ed08724

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    Here is my situation. I have a TivoHD with a 1.5Tb drive that I replaced as soon as I got the Tivo. I ordered the drive off eBay but not sure of from who or how it was made. After being away for 2 months I got home to find it stuttering and sometimes rebooting while playing back shows. Ran a kickstart 54 SMART test and it fails all tests except Initial state. Some shows play after getting through the stuttering but it takes a long time to get through the few minutes of bad spots. The shows are important to me and the Tivo is almost full. I thought I could buy a new 2gb drive and copy and expand but after reading the fist 10 or so pages here it sounds like it won't work. Plan B then if possible. Can I buy a new 2Tb drive and just copy, not expand. Watch as many shows as I can, then somehow start over and copy only the Tivo info and not the programs and expand and supersize. I no longer have the original drive with the factory Tivo image. Will this work with a 2tB drive or should I just buy the exact drive I already have. Will the copy routine be able to copy through the bad spots or will it just abort when it finds a bad spot. If so is there so other way to copy through the bad spots and is this likely to result in playable files. I don't care about small amounts of missing shows but the stuttering and reboots are extremely annoying. Thank you for any help anyone has.
     
  9. richsadams

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    FWIW our Premiere XL w/WD GP 2TB drive hasn't had any issues (outside of that annoying THX/TiVo animation those of us using the SD menus are experiencing) since the v14.8U update (or ever). Almost everyone that's upgraded used the WD GP drives as well and AFAIK no one else here, on other threads or forums has reported any issues since the update either. Just sayin'. My gut tells me that you either have a flaky WD drive or that upgrading using an older OS is the key.

    That said, best of luck with whatever you end up happy with!
     
  10. richsadams

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    You should be able to use your existing drive to upgrade to a 2TB drive with jmfs for the TiVo HD (not the one in the first post of this thread as the process is slightly different):

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    An exact copy (using dd or ddrescue) may or may not work as you point out, when it hits bad sectors it may hang. Hopefully your drive will last long enough for you to upgrade, but I wouldn't waste any time doing so.

    Happy upgrading and let us know how it goes!
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    I assume that you actually meant that he shouldn't delay doing the upgrade. The way you phrased it could be misconstrued as saying he shouldn't bother.
     
  12. richsadams

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    Ah, yes...do it now is what I meant.
     
  13. unitron

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    As Mammy Yokum would have said, "time's a wastin'!":)
     
  14. lpwcomp

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    Just be sure and stay away from the Kickapoo Joy Juice until you're done. And don't let Joe Btfsplk anywhere near.
     
  15. ed08724

    ed08724 Bricktown, NJ

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    Thanks for the help. I tried your suggestion from the other thread but jmfs said it didin't see any Tivo drives. I then ran WD Diags so I could get an advanced RMA on the drive. I ran the quick test which failed. It then asked if I wanted to do a full media scan which I thought was just a read test but it ran for 20 hours and said it repaired the drive. Quick test still fails and when put back into my TivoHD it get stuck in a reboot loop which it didn't before. So I would assume the drive is totally trashed now so I need to start from scratch. I tried to located the popular Broflovski TivoHD 2gb image that but I see he is no longer offering it. How can I get either that image or any image that I can expand on a non XL TivoHD to get 2gb. Thanks

     
  16. DocNo

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    I'd RMA the drive to WD. No need messing with it if the basic hardware is flaky.
     
  17. richsadams

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    How are you connecting your TiVo drive to your computer? There's no reason jmfs shouldn't/wouldn't see it if it's connected unless there's a BIOS setting issue (allowing some or all of your SATA ports to be read...if that's how it's connected). The old Broflovski image is a pain compared to jmfs. I think it's just a matter of ensuring that your drive(s) are connected properly.

    As you found out, WD's "quick test" is non-destructive, unlike the extended test(s).

    Keep us posted!
     
  18. dianebrat

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    The WDC DLG for Windows also has a non-destructive extended option, I'm running it on my 2TB WDC green right now.
     
  19. unitron

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    If a brand new WD drive failed WD's own quick test, well, that's what warranties are for. Don't waste any time trying to heal it.
     
  20. richsadams

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    +1 :up: Although a drive can pass a quick test but fail an extended test.
     

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