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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. minimeh

    minimeh Vanity Phrase Here

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    I used a pair of Thermaltake BlacX eSATA USB Docking Stations. I had an older one and picked a new one. Recommended.
     
  2. richsadams

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    I have one of the Thermaltake BlackX docks and a Newertech Voyager Firewire 800 Docking Station. I also have one of the older USB/SATA adapters. The adapters are certainly cheaper and if it's a one-time thing they work fine. However I like having the ability to use the docking stations to hot swap drives on my computers as well as upgrade TiVo drives.

    Keep in mind that a dual drive docking station (like this one) will NOT work. Two separate docks or adapters (or a combination of the two) are required for TiVo upgrades.
     
  3. PotentiallyCoherent

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  4. minimeh

    minimeh Vanity Phrase Here

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    In theory that should work. In practice, the laptop that I used chokes on the larger drives and the BIOS reports no drive connected. You'll probably just have to try it and see, I'm guessing.
     
  5. PotentiallyCoherent

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    I'm using a desktop, so that shouldn't be a problem. Which drive should I install internally?
     
  6. richsadams

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    Those adapters are not "dangerous" at all...they work perfectly fine. I've used the same thing for several TiVo upgrades over the years. Yes to your question, as long as your BIOS doesn't have any issues, you could use your PC's SATA connection (currently used by your OS drive) and a separate USB/SATA dock.

    Laptops have always been "iffy" at best. I was glad to see that you got things worked out with your upgrade.

    A desktop is always the best bet with TiVo upgrades.
     
  7. richsadams

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    Shouldn't matter.
     
  8. PotentiallyCoherent

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    I ordered two of the adapters that Rich recommended. They'll be here Monday, so wish me luck! Thanks for the help.
     
  9. unitron

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    If that desktop has a GigaByte brand motherboard, none of them.

    Google "gigabyte hpa"

    Otherwise, it probably shouldn't matter, just be sure to always know which is the source and which is the target and which is /dev/sda and which is /dev/sdb or whatever they get called.

    You can try them hooked up one at a time until you're sure the desktop board will properly recognize each on either position.
     
  10. richsadams

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    Just be sure that when you're handling the drives, particularly when they are powered up, to protect them from coming into contact with anything metal, etc. that could short them. Using static-free mats and such is always a good precaution. But then you probably knew that.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  11. P42

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    Seriously? Could you make it any easier??? :D
    Thanks Comer and to anyone else who worked on this - beer money sent.
     
  12. richsadams

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    Congrats and enjoy!
     
  13. PedjaR

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    Successfully upgraded my XL. Thanks to Comer (beer money on the way) and everyone else who chimed in with advice.
    Details below; was slightly eventful, none of it due to JMFS, though. Most issues were probably because I have a Gigabyte motherboard and was afraid to connect drives internally. Got WD20EARS. I had one eSATA/USB enclosure and one dual USB enclosure. Connected this blank drive through eSATA, run wdidle and it worked fine (set it to 300). I was very happy about this, as I read somewhere wdidle does not work with USB, and I was not going to connect it internally, so this was my main reason for using eSATA. Tried Hitachi tools for acoustic management, did not work - said the drive does not support acoustic management. This is very strange as in the other computer, I have an older 250GB WD drive that it worked on just fine (I was playing with it just to see if it works). This did not concern me much as the drive is quiet anyway. Tried DOS version of WD Lifeguard – it refused to work, complaining something about the version (it worked on the 250GB WD drive just fine). Tried Windows version of WD Lifeguard. Ran Quick Test OK; Extended Test was running, but said it would take ~10 days to do it. I thought maybe that is not particularly accurate, so I left it overnight; in the morning it showed about 9 days left, and the number of sectors matched about 10% of total. That was not going to do, so I switched enclosure to USB mode and tried again. Hitachi and DOS Lifeguard still not working, but Windows Lifeguard extended test now estimated about 16 hours. That was acceptable, so I let it run. By the time I checked it later next day, the computer rebooted on its own (probably some kind of auto-update), and, of course, no test results. Before I restarted it, I tried “hdparm –N” to see if HPA was added. Much to my surprise, it showed that HPA status cannot be determined, as the total number of sectors was something ridiculously high (it even helpfully put that number in once more in parenthesis followed with a question mark, as in “are you sure, this is crazy”). I tried both MFS and JMFS, the same result. The number of free sectors was OK, same as in WD Lifeguard. I restarted extended test, and it passed. I thought that may be good enough, so I took out the Tivo drive, popped in the JMFS CD and rebooted; then I connected the drive to USB enclosure and refreshed (that way no HPA for sure). The copy was averaging about ~15000Kb/s, so it lasted about as long as the extended test. Run expand and supersize, all nicely uneventful. Out of curiosity, I checked HPA status on both old Tivo drive and the new drive – both reported that the status cannot be determined, and that the total number of sectors is some ridiculously high number. That made me feel a bit better about the health of WD20EARS. Put it in Tivo, connected all cables, and it worked just fine; used space meter went down from 96% to 48%, and the capacity showed 317 HD hours as expected. The whole JMFS process is extremely easy and works great; my (minor) annoyances were all with other tools and hardware.
     
  14. richsadams

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    Thanks very much for all of the details and congratulations!
     
  15. minimeh

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    If I read that correctly, you too are seeing that AAM is not supported on the WD20EARS? I ran into the same thing.

    Maybe it has to do with the BIOS of the motherboard? You get correct operation on a 250GB drive, but not the 2TB. On the laptop I made the upgrade with, it doesn't even recognize the 2TB at the BIOS level when connected via SATA. While I was successful using that laptop with 2 USB docking stations, AAM was reported as unsupported on the 2TB but supported on the 160GB internal HDD.

    I ultimately took the WD20EARS to a desktop and connected via SATA to run wdidle3.exe successfully. I didn't try addressing AAM while connected to the desktop. Wish I had now, if only to see what the software reports on AAM support in the drive.
     
  16. PedjaR

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    I don't know the reason. I initially chalked it up to external connection (250GB drive is internal). Both eSATA and USB showed the same message.
     
  17. lessd

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    The newest WD20EARS do not support AAM but the drive is not noisy, the older ones did support AAM so something has changed and may change again in the future, I think WD is now promoting an AV drive (at $20 more) that most likely is WD20EARS with the AAM supported, that just a guess on my part.
     
  18. minimeh

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    Ah ha! Good to know. Thanks.
     
  19. richsadams

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    The WD20EURS has all of the dedicated A/V features including having the AAM set to 128. TiVo can't or doesn't take advantage of the other A/V "features" but if you need a quiet drive, it's a great option.
     
  20. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Wow, 2TB/317 HD hours, that was the easiest Tivo upgrade I've ever done.
    Thank you, Comer.

    The hardest part was waiting for two days after realizing that I didn't have a spare sata data cable after I had everything taken apart.
     

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