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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jul 8, 2011 #1041 of 2843
    Stuxnet

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    1. What OS is on your PC? If Win Vista/7, did you try to run HDDScan "as admininstrator"? I just received/installed a WD20EARS in my PC 2 weeks ago and for grins reset AAM (I didn't check the mfg date, but NewEgg generally has recent issues).

    2. No SATA at all? I had no spares, but "borrowed" the one from my HDD when the USB dock proved futile.

    3. You're right about the Torqs, you need 10 & 15 to do it right, though some have managed with 10s alone... I wouldn't recommend it.
     
  2. Jul 8, 2011 #1042 of 2843
    minimeh

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    The laptop that I used for the upgrade runs WinXP 32 on an administrative account, so no issues there. For grins I ran HDDScan on the hard drive in the laptop itself and HDDScan reported that it supports AAM and gave me the ability to set it. So, nice thought, but I don't think OS/admin rights come into play here.

    I did not attempt to pull out the laptop's drive and use its SATA connection. Obviously, the 3.5" drive wouldn't physically fit into the 2.5" drive space, and I don't have cabling.

    I do have another laptop that has an eSATA connector exposed. I wonder if connecting a drive to the eSATA connector, using appropriate cabling or an enclosure, would work? Either pursuing that or taking the drive to a friend's desktop would be my next angles if I had issues. However, rather than being futile, doing the upgrade with 2 USB docking stations worked for me, albeit s-l-o-w-l-y.

    No, the 10 drive rattles around pretty good in the 15 screw head. However, I'm not doubting that some drive rails are mounted with 10s and others with 15s.
     
  3. Jul 9, 2011 #1043 of 2843
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    Some boxes (ours included) have Torx 10's on the exterior as well as the sled...others have Torx 10 on the outside and Torx 15 on the sled.
     
  4. Jul 9, 2011 #1044 of 2843
    richsadams

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    That generally works on desktops. I don't know of any reason it wouldn't work on a laptop. The only issue might be something to do with BIOS settings, but others have used eSATA successfully for upgrades (just takes a while longer than a direct SATA MB connection, but less time than a USB connection).
     
  5. Jul 9, 2011 #1045 of 2843
    wb5yyq

    wb5yyq New Member

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    I get the "Welcome - starting up" error with my original Tivo Premiere HD (320gb), leading me to think the drive is bad. Pulled the drive and tested with the Western Digital tool; it passed the first test, but failed the extended test with bad sectors. What do I do now? Should I try to copy the original disk with errors? If the original is bad, now what do I do? Where can I find a Premiere image to use?
     
  6. Jul 9, 2011 #1046 of 2843
    lessd

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    Purchased a drive that already has the image on it, you can find some on E-Bay or purchase a new TP from Amazon for about $84.
     
  7. richsadams

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    When you say "Welcome-starting up error" do you mean that TiVo is stuck on that screen? Does it do anything else? When you plug TiVo in, try putting your ear to the case. Can you hear the hard drive spin up?

    If it's stuck on "Welcome" screen it means that the motherboard cannot communicate with the hard drive. From your tests it sounds like it has some bad sectors. You might try running some of the Kickstarts to see if TiVo can repair the problem...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=5643823&postcount=2

    If that doesn't work you'll probably need to do as lessd suggests and find another drive. You can either use that one as a replacement or to image a larger drive.

    Note that if you do get a drive from another TiVo that you'll need to get an drive from an identical model. When you first boot it up you'll get an error message. To overcome that you'll need to run Clear and Delete Everything. Then you should prep it as a new TiVo which might entail having your cableco pair your cable card, etc. Once that's done you could use it to image a new/larger drive.

    Another option would be to contact TiVo. If it's less than a year old they will generally replace it for $49. If it's more than a year old it's $149 but as lessd points out, you can buy a new TiVo Premiere for less than $90.

    Best of luck and let us know how it goes!
     
  8. Larry.A

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    I want to thank everyone that has put these scripts/apps together. I recently switched to FIOS from DirecTV and could not stand the user interface of the FIOS boxes. I used to have 2 fully hacked direcTV Tivos several years ago and I loved them so I decided to buy a couple of premiers and upgrade them with WD20EARS. I can not believe how simple this is now. widdle, automated 3 step proccess and bam I have 2TB of capacity each. My only problem is on one I can see the other Tivo on the "My Shows" list but when I select it it says there is nothin to display (wich of course there is) and on the second Tivo I can not see the other one at all. I have tested all the network diag and everything checks out. I have rebooted each several times with no luck. I can also stream netflix on both so I am pretty sure it is not a network issue. I did a search but I guess I did not use the right keywords because nothing came up. Any help would be apreciated.
     
  9. dwit

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    Don't know if this is the problem, but have you enabled "Video Sharing" on your account at Tivo.com ("Change DVR Preferences")?
     
  10. Larry.A

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    Thanks for the tip. I just verified that video sharing is enabled, still no luck.
     
  11. richsadams

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    I've run into that now and then. Try rebooting not only your TiVo's, but your network as well. IIRC I did it in this order to get things working:

    1. Reboot router/modem (give it ten minutes or so to fully engage)
    2. Reboot TiVo 1 (again, wait a few minutes)
    3. Reboot TiVo 2

    Also, if you just connected your TiVo's it may take 24 to 48 hours for them both to be recognized by the Mothership as being on the same account and ultimately to communicate with each other.

    Hope that helps...others may have some more advice.
     
  12. minimeh

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    After looking into the whole intellipark issue some more, I'm convinced that I really need to set the value. So I bought a SATA extension cable, removed the laptop's HDD, plugged in the extension, then plugged in the WD20EARS to the extension, and booted up off of a boot CDROM.

    Unfortunately, the WD20EARS was not recognized by the BIOS. I reseated both ends of the cable and tried again. No good. I attached the original WD disk from the TiVo and tried again. No good. I plugged in the laptop's own HDD (a Seagate st9120411 120GB) into the extension cable, and that is recognized. So it seems the cable and connection to computer is ok.

    I put the WD20EARS back into the Premier and powered it up. It booted up normally, at least demonstrating that the disk drive is still good and wasn't fried.

    So, I'm clueless why the WD drives are not recognized by the BIOS of the laptop.

    My next swing at it will be to drag the disk to somebody's desk top and see what unexpected issues arise there! :)
     
  13. unitron

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    You could see if the EARS has a "throttle it back to SATA 1.5" jumper setting, and see it that makes the difference, although it may be the size that's the problem.

    I've got an Asus motherboard (AGP video slot, DDR1 ram slots) with 2 IDE controllers and 2 SATA ports. I've got 2 160GB SATA drives usually attached to those 2 ports.

    However, hooking up a 1TB SATA drive, even if jumpered as mentioned, causes it to hang when it gets to the "let's see if I've got anything attached to my SATA ports" part of the boot process.

    Put a Marvell or JMicron chipset adapter on the drive and hook it to either of the IDE controllers, Master or Slave, and it boots just fine.
     
  14. minimeh

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    As far as i can tell, the Seagate is a SATA 3.0. But I am suspicious that the size of the drives (320 GB and 2 TB) might be the issue. Hmm, maybe there's a BIOS update. I'll have to check that out, I guess.

    On the plus side, I'm getting really good at taking out and putting back the TiVo HDD. :)
     
  15. unitron

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    Have you replaced your Tivo's case screws with Velcro or zippers yet?:)
     
  16. minimeh

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    Where's the challenge in that! :D

    A little investigation into the laptop turns out that it has the latest BIOS (it's not quite a year old). The largest HDD it is sold with is 160GB. So, looks like that's a show stopper.
     
  17. richsadams

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    Ha! Good one! :D Actually, back in the days of "upgrading" Series1's (which entailed adding a second hard drive inside the box) we would often use velcro or zip ties to secure the second drive to the original drive sled. Others just used tape!

    [​IMG]

    Where there's a will...
     
  18. wb5yyq

    wb5yyq New Member

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    Ok, so I found an identical drive on eBay for my ailing Premiere. After restarting several times, getting the Tivo downloads, resetting my zipcode, etc. it almost looks normal. Unfortunately, nothing will record (except the 30 min LiveTV). If I try to record the current channel, it goes thru the motions as if it is recording, but no record light, and no recordings. Scheduled recordings show in my To Do list, but don't record. I did notice that although the Tivo shows the correct time, in the system info the daylight savings is inactive. Could this be the problem? I could not play any of the recorded shows that were on the drive when I got it, but I could delete them. Any ideas?
     
  19. richsadams

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    If the drive came came from another identical TiVo model (say a Premiere as opposed to a Premiere XL) it should work. However you'll need to run Clear and Delete Everything from the menu. (Tivo Central > Messages and Settings > Restart or Reset System > Clear and Delete Everything.) That will reset your TiVo to factory specs.

    Give that a try and see if it doesn't work.
     
  20. PotentiallyCoherent

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    What SATA to USB adapters are you guys using?
     

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