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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. unitron

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  2. PedjaR

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    Thanks for the info about JMFS. I hope that eSATA will work with WD Lifeguard, wdidle, and Hitachi Feature Tools. Then I can hook up original Tivo drive with USB and use JMFS; it would be slow, but it would not be risky.

    By the way, I used hdparm from MFS Live cd, per unitron's advice. It may also be able to remove the HPA, but only on another machine (if I can trust what I read), as this motherboard would fight that.
     
  3. retiredqwest

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    OK...... back to HPA for the last time in this thread for me.

    Using msflive 1.4 cd I ran it on my X58 MB.

    dev/sda 300G = HPA is not enabled
    dev/sdb 300G = HPA is enabled

    Mind you these are raid mirror 1

    /dev/sdc = HPA is not enabled
    /dev/sdd = HPA is not enabled
    /dev/sde = HPA is enabled

    My EP45: no raided HDD

    /dev/sda = HPA is enabled
    /dev/sdb = HPA is not enabled
    /dev/sdc = HPA is not enabled
    /dev/sdd = HPA is not enabled
    /dev/sde = HPA is not enabled

    This is the one I use for a server. And there is no option for Bios Backup to HDD

    THD Stock 160G
    HPA is enabled

    TP Stock 320G
    HPA is not enabled

    TP backup 320G
    HPA is not enabled


    I just tried JMFS again and I booted without a HDD connected and plugged in the USB from my Blacx dock and hit refresh and it found it. I see no reason why ESATA should be any different. My test computer Asrock MB does not have ESATA......

    I just tried my dock on my X58 MB and it loaded the TP HDD via ESATA without a burp.

    NOW, I have read that some MB's won't do this unless your turn on ACHI on the BIOS for that controller chip. I guess you may have to see what works.

    And if you are copying the stock TP 320G drive..... USB only adds an hour or so to the 3 hrs it will take SATA direct to the MB.
     
  4. Stuxnet

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    I think the answer is "it depends". Rich mentions dock stations he has used w/success. In the other hand, I bought 2 eSATA USB docks from monoprice. I ran WD Lifeguard and HDDScan (to set AAM) on the new drive under Windows... the dock worked perfectly. When I booted jmfs it saw neither docked drive. BUMMER... So I had to open up my box, and use the HD and DVD/CD SATA cables... Since I didn't have a working CD, I had to create a bootable SB stick w/jmfs.
     
  5. suggest THIS

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    Thanks. I jumped on this deal in anticipation of upgrading my new Premiere. When I ran wdidle3, it reported that idle was active and set for 30 seconds (I reset it for 300 seconds). The drive carries a manufactured date of 02 MAR 2011.
     
  6. DavidTigerFan

    DavidTigerFan No, not Detroit. TCF Club

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    Ok, I've read through most of this thread, but I still am having problems.

    First, I tried running the CD on a gigabyte motherboard, but it only detected one harddrive. I'm guessing this is the HPA problem you are all talking about. Has this screwed up my Tivo drive?

    Also, I put them in another old dell I have and it detects both drives fine, but it is erroring out saying that there isn't enough room on my drive. (I'm copying from 320GB to 2TB so I know that's not the issue. Any ideas?
     
  7. dwit

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    First thing I would do is reinstall the original 320 gb drive back in the Premiere to see if it is still funtioning properly. This is the ultimate test to determine if it is "screwed up", or not.

    As for the "not enough room", are you sure you had selected the appropriate drive? Any other drives connected? If so, disconnect all hard drives execept the 2 relevant drives.

    What brand and model is the target 2 TB drive?
     
  8. DavidTigerFan

    DavidTigerFan No, not Detroit. TCF Club

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    ok, I'll get that in a few minutes. I actually got the copy to start on the older computer after I switched around the SATA cables. Once that is done I'll plug the old drive back in and boot up.
     
  9. retiredqwest

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    AS far as JMFS detecting drives... more than once I've had too hit the (R)efresh key before it sees both drives. And it is far easier to just to have those 2 drives hooked up. Less chance of writing to the wrong target drive.

    I'm not going to address that HPA situation as I'm not positive it creates a problem with TIVO drives. My stock THD 160G has HPA Enabled and it works.

    On my stock TP 320G HPA is not enabled and it produces read errors when copying to another HDD... but it works as does the straight copy that I made of it.
     
  10. dwit

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    May as well proceed normally now. Complete the entire JMFS procedure. Then try booting the the new enlarged drive first. Though which one you try first is no issue. In fact, if the new drive operates, that is probably all you need to know that the original was good.
     
  11. DavidTigerFan

    DavidTigerFan No, not Detroit. TCF Club

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    ok, copy completed, expanding now.
     
  12. DavidTigerFan

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    Great, expand failed. Rebooting computer and trying again.
     
  13. DavidTigerFan

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    That didn't work. Does the program not see the harddrive after it's been copied? Do I need to do a full copy again?
     
  14. DavidTigerFan

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    Well just great. I put the original drive back into the premiere and it's hosed. It gets to the "almost there" screen and then cuts off all video after about 2-3 minutes.

    A warning message about putting these drives into computers with Gigabyte motherboards in the original post would be helpful.

    Where do I go from here? Do I have to return the unit to Tivo now?
     
  15. dwit

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    I would go back to checking the original drive, reinstalled in the Premiere.
    Then maybe just brushing up on the basics of the process.

    I have upgraded my own Premiere to a 2 TB Hitachi Cool spin, and for an acquaintance, I reimaged(essentially cloned) an original drive, and also upgraded a 2 TB WD GP drive, using the reimaged original.

    I used 2 very old computers. One Celeron 4 on a Shuttle motherboard that is probably at least 8 years old, and a Pentium D system with an Asus mb about 6 -7 years old. Besides some curious inconsistencies in the copying times, all seemed to be textbook(exactly as outlined). All 3 copied/expanded drives seem to boot correctly in my Premiere. The acquaitance has not yet received his drives to test in his unit.

    Having said all that, now my original drive fails to boot up. Oh well.

    Good luck.
     
  16. dwit

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    That will probably be your best recourse now.

    Do not mention anything about trying to upgrade the drive, or even opening the unit up. That will almost certainly disqualify you from getting any warranty service consideration.

    Double check your reinstallation. Make sure everything is connected correctly, and securely.

    Funny thing too: sometimes these things, for whatever reason, may fail to boot up one time, and succeed another. Nothing left but to try getting it to boot on several tries.

    Good luck.
     
  17. DavidTigerFan

    DavidTigerFan No, not Detroit. TCF Club

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    Why would the expand fail after copying the drive?
     
  18. Fofer

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    If you have one, make sure to uplug any USB-Bluetooth adapter first before attempting a reboot.
     
  19. dwit

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    Something else to try, after making sure the drive is just not going to boot: Try running the WD Lifegard diagnostics extended test on the drive. This supposedly attempts to correct errors it may find. Curiously, this worked for me even though no errors were reported. Unfortunately after successfully booting up, it ultimately failed to boot later on.

    Some other possibilities: Borrow an original Premiere hard drive and attempt to reimage your original drive using the copy function with JMFS. Or ask an owner of a Premiere to reimage your original drive for you.

    There are also drives of various capacities for sale on ebay, with the Premiere software already installed. I think recall seeing 2 TB drives for as low as $115.

    Lastly, for now, some of the places that sell prepared Tivo drives(dvrdude, dvrupgrade, weaknees, etc) may be able to restore your original drive.
     
  20. DavidTigerFan

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    Ok, i put the original back in the premiere and just let it sit. Not sure if that helped, but it booted and I got all the screens to come up fine. I'm now attempting another copy and am currently waiting for that to complete. We'll see if it fails on the expand again or not.
     

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