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Premiere Drive Upgrade Instructions - with all-in-one jmfs Live CD

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by comer, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Jun 4, 2011 #961 of 2843
    AgentS

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    Thanks for the responses dwit and retiredquest. I let it sit overnight and checked it in the Am. Says it rescued 320009MB out of 320072MB. Now it's in the middle of "trimming failed blocks", so i still haven't tested it out yet. I hope those 63MB weren't important!

    Wait a minute, i just realized that my "rescued" size is slowly going up during this phase. I hope that's a good sign!

    Oh, and yes i tried kickstart. It was the one for the HDD....KS 54 i believe. That gave me a bunch of "fail 4's".
     
  2. Jun 5, 2011 #962 of 2843
    richsadams

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    FWIW unfortunately wimMFS cannot make a truncated backup of Premiere drives as it can with earlier models.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2011 #963 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Good info, thanks for that. :up: Here's an article from Storage Review that I found a while back offering some quick info about why 3TB drives can be problematic for Windows PC's and some Linux OS systems (although they are fully compatible with Apple's Mac OS X). It also includes some interesting benchmarks and comparisons.

    http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_caviar_green_3tb_review_wd30ezrsdtl
     
  4. Jun 6, 2011 #964 of 2843
    dwit

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    Thanks. Piece of cake. Upgraded to a Hitachi 2 TB drive. Only had a few hours of shows on the drive. Whole process barely took 2 hours on an ancient Celeron4 2.4ghz machine.

    Might be selling this drive(2TB) because I don't think I'm going to activate the Premiere. Too expensive. Was hoping the rebuilt woot units were still eligible with a change TSN for activation, but alas, no more.
     
  5. Jun 6, 2011 #965 of 2843
    aridon

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    I had a minor issue with my drive not being recognized after booting to linux. I kept getting an error saying No tivo drive detected. In fact none of the HD's were showing up.

    Now I have an I7 rig right now with an Asus p6x58d. All my drives are obviously connected with SATA cables.

    After searching the issue I only found a vague reference from older Tivos when being used on IDE systems that you needed to set the master / slave relationship to get the drive to be seen. Obviously with SATA this shouldn't be an issue. So i played around in my bios trying out different configurations with zero luck.

    While messing around in the bios I noticed that my drives were being designated as IDE drives running enhanced mode. While my dvd drive was listed as being SATA. Well that would be the problem. At first I tried adjusting the bios settings to show the drives as SATA with no luck. This was not possible and I tried all of the possible combinations.

    So disconnected all of my Sata ports (I have 8 on this MB, two at top and 6 below). When I saw this the light bulb came on because the HD's were being connected to the two slots at the top (6gb/s) while the DVD drive below (3gb/s). AT first glance a layman would say they look identical as the interface is grouped tightly together and colored the same (Asus fail there). They are not and use two different controllers.

    ICH10R Southbridge SATA - 6 ports
    Marvell 88SE9128 SATA 6Gb/sec - 2 ports

    Simply moving the hard drives to the other controller (ICH10R) and rebooting immediately solved the problem. Instead of being seen as IDE drives the hard drives were now showing up as Sata drives.

    Booting into Linux via the boot disk now showed the drives and the rest is obviously cake.

    I couldn't find any mention of this and I know that there are plenty of people out there that might not check further than making sure their cables are plugged in. If they have my board its actually very difficult to see there is any difference what so ever between the two. I wanted to post this in case someone with less knowledge ran into the same problem. A quick google search revealed no postings on this so I wanted to document it for others in the unlikely event it has stumped someone.
     
  6. Jun 6, 2011 #966 of 2843
    dwit

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    All of my drives showed up whether they were ide drives or sata drives. I used a very old p4 motherboard and all of the drives showed in the bios as ide drives, also set on enhanced setting.

    Maybe I just got lucky and connected to the right inputs on the first guess. But I was prepared to try the other inputs if the first ones chosen didn't work.
     
  7. Jun 6, 2011 #967 of 2843
    aridon

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    Aye, chances are its a specific issue with that controller and linux. A bios update may fix the issue but swapping to the other controller is far easier and safer :)
     
  8. Jun 6, 2011 #968 of 2843
    AgentS

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    24 hours of copying with 755 errors and my copy is a success! I haven't noticed any problems either (yet). A big thank you to everyone on here. :up:
     
  9. Jun 6, 2011 #969 of 2843
    retiredqwest

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    Congrats..... You may want to consider doing a copy only from the stock drive to a 320G or larger to make a known good backup. In case something happens to the 2TB.

    I'm on my SECOND WD20EVDS..... just a thought.
     
  10. Jun 6, 2011 #970 of 2843
    dwit

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    Congrats!

    The whole procedure, disassemble> jmfs program>reassemble, took 2 hours, 15 minutes for me. And this was on an old Celeron 4 machine.

    Only had a few hours of shows on the original drive though. No errors at all on either drive.
     
  11. Jun 7, 2011 #971 of 2843
    richsadams

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    Phew!
     
  12. Jun 7, 2011 #972 of 2843
    SMWinnie

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    I notice that NewEgg has deactivated the 2TB EADS on its website. I think that was the default drive for the "yes, I know how to run AAM" crowd - is there a new default? (Looks like the EARX is about to replace the EARS.)
     
  13. Jun 7, 2011 #973 of 2843
    unitron

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    As of mid-May, 2011, CompUSA had the WD20EADS in stock at $90.

    Now their site says only available in their retail stores, but it's $10 cheaper.
     
  14. Jun 7, 2011 #974 of 2843
    Stuxnet

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    Really? —> 2TB Link Here
     
  15. Jun 7, 2011 #975 of 2843
    unitron

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    That link leads to the "advanced format" WD20EARS, not the WD20EADS, which is the older 512 byte sector type.
     
  16. Jun 8, 2011 #976 of 2843
    Stuxnet

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    Ooops... yes, you are right. I need to pay closer attention... NewEgg discontinued EADS some time ago... Amazon and Tiger Direct had it last I checked (a week back). FWIW, EARS works fine in my Premiere.
     
  17. Jun 12, 2011 #977 of 2843
    PedjaR

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    I am considering doing the 2TB upgrade and have a couple of questions.

    1. Is WD20EARS still considered a good drive to use? If so, I read a few conflicting reports on the recommended settings for wdidle:
    a) leave it alone, it works anyway
    b) /S10000000000 (or is it /S[10000000000], i.e. does it need [])
    c) /D
    d) /s300

    Which other drive would you recommend? I did read the whole thread, but the answers sometimes change with time, and some drives have been discontinued.

    2. I have a Gigabyte GA-EG45M-DS2H motherboard, with Xpress Recovery2. It appears that in some cases it may create a hidden partition (host protected area) without asking, which would hose the original Tivo drive, if it happens to be the drive it puts HPA on. The manual implies that it would not actually do that until explicitly evoked and unless the drive has unallocated space; it did not do it, as far as I can tell, on the drive with Windows XP in my computer, since there seems to be only one partition on it, and no unallocated space. However, there were some reports to the contrary, and I am unwilling to risk my Tivo drive, just hoping that the motherboard will not do it (the drive is an XL, currently hovering around 90%, full of stuff I'd much rather not lose, and thanks to Time Warner flagging just about everything, I cannot copy it to the computer). So, I will probably refrain from unhooking both of my existing drives and hooking up the Tivo drive and the blank drive; I'll try leaving the Windows OS drive connected to SATA 0, unhook the other one and buy one more SATA cable to be able to hook up both Tivo and blank drives. Anybody knows if this would make the whole thing safe?
     
  18. Jun 12, 2011 #978 of 2843
    Stuxnet

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    The EARS, EADS and WD's A/V drives are all fine candidates. For me, EARS was the cheapest, YMMV.

    Re: WDIDLE3, a) is fine if you don't hang on a soft boot. If you do, you'll need to remove the HDD and reset WDIDLE3 timing. I didn't want that hassle, so I just changed it up front. c) and d) all have their proponents based on speculations about drive life ... speculations that we won't have data on for some time... I don't know about b) ... I went with d) ... it works for me without completely knocking out intellipark ... but heh, I only have 90 days of run time so far. Worst case ... my drive fails tomorrow, I lose some shows I have't backed up and I get another HDD. And I'd never know whether WDIDLE3 contributed to its demise.
     
  19. Jun 13, 2011 #979 of 2843
    unitron

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    If you get the N&O you may have noticed that CompUSA has the 20EARS for $79.99 (plus Bev's cut) this week.

    As to GigaByte and HPAs, I have 2 GigaByte boards of about the same age as yours on which I learned about this issue the hard way, but both are tied up being actual computers right now (one for me and one for the TiVos:)), so I haven't done any extensive experimentation to figure out the exact algorithm it uses, i.e., under what circumstances it writes to which disk where.

    If you put a "sacrificial" drive on the Primary Master IDE/PATA position, it may be content to put an HPA there and leave everything else alone.

    If your XP drive is the first SATA, and you have no IDE/PATA drives, you can boot from the MFS Live cd v1.4 and run

    hdparm -N /dev/sda

    and see if you have an HPA on there or not.

    There's a (possibly undocumented) variation on that command to remove the HPA, but the GigaByte board will prevent it from working. You'd have to use a different board, and it's only worth doing if you're trying to fix a drive that's going to be used in a TiVo. If there's one on your XP drive, just leave it.

    If you do have one on your XP drive, maybe the motherboard will be happy with that and not try to put any on any other drives.


    If not, you could use the Parted Magic boot cd to shrink the partition nearest the end to make room for an HPA, and then re-boot and let it make one, and maybe it'll be satisfied with that.
     
  20. Jun 13, 2011 #980 of 2843
    PedjaR

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    Thanks for the replies.
    I saw W20EARS on Amazon for $80, shipping included; I'd rather buy from them - a couple of times when I needed to return something, they were extremely easy to deal with.
     

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